Theos-Talk Archives (July 2004 Message tt00012)

June 1 2004

Re TWO EGOS IN MAN ( Higher and Lower Manas) 

Dear R K.

Try and read what is available in SD II 167 on this point  

It may appear puzzling, but if we consider the immortality of Man as a MONAD
(ATMA-BUDDHI-MANAS) and, that this is imperishable and immortal, then we may
see that our present "mind" (the "Personality") is only a continually
changing and passing phase -- as we, the truly IMMORTAL BEING -- the
"HIGHER SELF or Atma" pass through life after life aiming always at making
of each successive life an embodiment of increasing perfection and amity --
towards the final GOAL. of TOTAL PERFECTION.  

There, We become "one with the Universe" and yet, we do not loose our
identity. This is WISDOM COMPLETE.  

But we need to continually bear in mind the one true fact. As GOD is
everywhere, IT is inside us as well. We need to allow IT to express itself
as all the great Rishis and Prophets of the past and present do. In them we
sense that the HIGHER SELF is, present and active. 

And why not ourselves also? We can TRY,

Isn't GOD omnipresent -- that is IN EVERYTHING ? -- then why not in us also?
If we are "gods in the making," then we have bright prospects ahead of us.  

If we fear "Satan," or the "devil" is it not our own ignorance, and or
limited vision of things (after all -- everything we acquire during this
life we abandon at death !) ,selfishness and desire for isolation, to own
and to hold, and pleasure through "excitement," that tempts and defeats our
higher more virtuous, brotherly aspirations? Shall we allow this to continue
and waste our opportunities? 

There are other references to be consulted:

In the SECRET DOCTRINE (TWO EGOS IN MAN: II 167)  

in addition look at: --


Vol. I 106, 150fn, 180, 184, 188fn, 210, 225, 247, 275, 380, 288fn,
421, 539fn, 609, 638-9, 


Vol. II	42, 79-80, 93-4, 103 top, 109, 132-5, 163, 171, 176fn, 184-5, 228
230, 234, 241, 246, 254-5, 272, 275, 282-7, 507, 615, 

What are true, lasting, and valuable possessions?  

Are they only ours, or are they shared with all truly wise men?  

Does one have to be "shabby" to be "wise?"  

Are so-called "Yogis" helpful? How do we know who is a true Yogi? Is it not
through the inspiration that they offer, and the logic they teach? 

Does true wisdom ever advertise? 

What are the use of wealth and possessions if we "can't take them with us?"


On the other hand, are not character, wisdom and knowledge, and the ability
to be of help to others, virtues that are immortal, and which demark a truly
benevolent personage? Who says we can't become that?

Without the concepts of eternal and just, strict LAW that rules everything,
and the immortality of the human Soul/Spirit [ATMA-BUDDHI-MANAS] that makes
every human an ETERNAL PILGRIM, what have we that is basic and solid to rely
on?  

DO OUR RELIGIONS TEACH US TO THINK and to be self-reliant, or do they choose
to ask us to adopt unproved faith and blind belief ? -- and trust in nothing
that is logical? 

Happy hunting, This is a good exercise.


Dallas
 

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-----Original Message-----
From: Raghu K 
Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 4:22 AM
To: 
Subject: Ego - the drive to be self righteous !


Penance and suicide :

I have to kill my ego to become a saint - then, can I involve in self
depreciation and suicide (only theoritically, buddy, don't bother) ?
Because, when u say there is no self and everything is the almighty, well, I
am nothing and non existent. The yogis do this to attain the state of
bliss, I guess. Correct me, if I am wrong.

ok - when u kill your ego, u become eternal and enlightened ! Is the state
of eternal bliss / salvation, being inert / indifferent to external stimuli
and thick skinned ? I feel that sometimes, it is ego, that makes a man be
self righteous. There are instances, when i have come across guys, who said
they didn't have ego and behaved shabily - Well, whatever u say is not gonna
affect them, anyway, ain't it ?? Does it mean that yogis are shabby guys or
the other way, they have an ego, that maketh them the high esteemed people
that they are ?

I am confused because of this phenomenon that I found in non egotists - they
were indifferent to anything and were shabby (in dress / language /
behaviour), a couple of days back.

Can anyone clarify ??
Raghu