Theos-Talk Archives (June 2004 Message tt00250)

--- In Lightfromsoundoasis@yahoogroups.com, "netemara888" 
<netemara888@y...> wrote:
--- In Lightfromsoundoasis@yahoogroups.com, "treehugger1946" 
<treehugger1946@y...> wrote:
> --- In Lightfromsoundoasis@yahoogroups.com, "netemara888" 
> <netemara888@y...> wrote:
> > --- In Lightfromsoundoasis@yahoogroups.com, "netemara888" 
> > <netemara888@y...> wrote:
> > > --- In Lightfromsoundoasis@yahoogroups.com, "netemara888" 
> > > <netemara888@y...> wrote:
> > > > The Externalization of the Hierarchy - Section I - 
Introductory 
> > > > Remarks 
> > > > 
> > > > "I. The Training of Psychics
> > > > The first thing to be borne in mind is that negative, 
> > > unintelligent 
> > > > Mediumship and psychism reduces its exponent to the level of 
an 
> > > > automaton; it is dangerous and inadvisable because it 
deprives 
> > man 
> > > > of his free will and his positivity, and militates against 
his 
> > > > acting as a free intelligent human being. The man is not 
acting 
> > in 
> > > > these cases as a channel for his own soul, but is little 
better 
> > > than 
> > > > an instinctual animal, if he is not literally an empty 
shell, 
> > > which 
> > > > an obsessing entity can occupy and use. When speaking thus I 
am 
> > > > dealing with the very lowest type of animal Mediumship of 
which 
> > > > there is far too much these days, and which is the cause of 
> > > concern 
> > > > to the best minds in all the movements which foster 
Mediumship. 
> > A 
> > > > Mediumship which is entered into with a fully conscious 
focused 
> > > > attitude and in which the medium, knowingly and 
intelligently, 
> > > > vacates his body to an entering entity of whom he is fully 
> aware 
> > > and 
> > > > who takes possession with his conscious permission in order 
to 
> > > serve 
> > > > some spiritual end and help his fellowmen can be right and 
> good. 
> > > But 
> > > > how often is this type of Mediumship to be seen?
> > > 
> > > I think the above paragraph is self-explanatory. If you act as 
a 
> > > vacant shell then you will be subject to forces outside of 
your 
> > > mental control.
> > > 
> > > Few mediums know 
> > > > the technique governing the passing in or out of an 
informing 
> > > > entity, nor do they know how to carry on this work in such a 
> way 
> > > > that never for a moment are they unaware of what they 
> themselves 
> > > are 
> > > > doing and the purpose of their activity. Definitely and with 
> > > purpose 
> > > > they lend their body temporarily to another soul for 
service, 
> > > > preserving their own integrity all the time.
> > > 
> > > Obviously this is happening in the world whether or not Dave 
and 
> > his 
> > > cohorts believe that it is possible to leave, vacate the body 
and 
> > > allow a higher soul to occupy it.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > The highest expression 
> > > > of this type of activity was the giving of his body by the 
> > > disciple 
> > > > Jesus for the use of the Christ.
> > > 
> > > In other words Jesus allowed his body to be used by the 
Christ. 
> > And 
> > > it is said that he was laughing on the cross as well at those 
who 
> > > tried to put him to death. That in fact he was not dead, and 
that 
> > > there was no death of the soul or spirit. The body of course 
not 
> > > being a principle.
> > > 
> > > DK's use of the word "use" is interesting. It is as if I say 
you 
> > can 
> > > wear this dress for the party. It is still my dress but I am 
> > letting 
> > > you use it. Now, they say that possession is 9/10th the law, 
so 
> > for 
> > > the time my friend is wearing that dress and has it, it is 
> > > technically HER dress. Thus it is with Jesus loaning of his 
body 
> > and 
> > > Blavatsky loaning of her body to higher adepts who used it. 
There 
> > is 
> > > proof of this. So, for all intents and purposes Christ was 
Jesus 
> > and 
> > > Jesus was Christ.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > It is in the word service that the 
> > > > whole story lies, and the safeguard. When this true 
Mediumship 
> > is 
> > > > better understood, we shall have the medium passing out of 
his 
> > > body 
> > > > in full [11] waking consciousness through the orifice at the 
> top 
> > > of 
> > > > his head, and not, as is now the case in the majority of 
> > > instances, 
> > > > through the solar plexus, with no preservation of awareness 
of 
> > the 
> > > > transaction, nor any recollection of what has transpired.
> > > 
> > > These two locations are also primed with the exit as they 
concern 
> > > leaving the body at death. Those who are more highly evolved 
> leave 
> > > through the highest head center or even the eye center. Those 
who 
> > > are astrally or emotionally polarized leave through the solar 
> > plexus.
> > > 
> > > One thing that the average person is unaware of is that just 
> > because 
> > > the person is registered as "dead" or there is no physical 
sign 
> of 
> > > life does not mean that the soul is gone and that there is no 
> > longer 
> > > any pain involved. The pain could simply be mental. I recall 
> being 
> > > put into anesthesia when a child for surgery and I still 
remember 
> > > the dream state in which I felt I was sitting on top of a tall 
> > palm 
> > > tree during the surgery, ie suspended out of my body for that 
> time.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > We shall then have the temporary entrance of a new tenant 
along 
> > > the 
> > > > line of a synchronous vibration through the entrance in the 
> > head, 
> > > > and the subsequent use of the instrument of the loaned body 
in 
> > > > service of some kind or another.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > This is the opposite of going out of the body, it is the 
higher 
> > > spirit coming into the body.
> > > 
> > > But this procedure will never be 
> > > > followed in order to satisfy idle curiosity, or an equally 
idle 
> > > > grief, based on personal loneliness and self-pity. At 
present 
> > many 
> > > > of the lower kind of mediums are exploited by the curious or 
> > > unhappy 
> > > > public,
> > > 
> > > Watch the show with the guy who does "The other side." He 
seems 
> to 
> > > be exploiting their grief.
> > > 
> > > and those peculiar human beings whose consciousness is 
> > > > centered entirely below the diaphragm and whose solar plexus 
is 
> > > > indeed their brain (as it is the brain of the animal) are 
> forced 
> > > to 
> > > > act as mediums to satisfy the love of sensation or desire 
for 
> > > > comfort of their almost equally unintelligent fellowmen.
> > > > 
> > > > At the same time, there are mediums of a very much higher 
order 
> > > > whose lives are offered in service to advanced souls on the 
> > other 
> > > > side of the veil and who give themselves so that their 
> fellowmen 
> > > may 
> > > > learn of them; thus, on both sides of the veil of 
separation, 
> > are 
> > > > souls aided and given opportunity to hear or serve. But 
these, 
> > > too, 
> > > > would profit by a more intelligent training and by a more 
> > accurate 
> > > > understanding of the technique of their work and the 
> > organization 
> > > of 
> > > > their bodies. They would then be better channels and more 
> > > dependable 
> > > > intermediaries.
> > > > 
> > > > Above all, let the psychics in the world today grasp the 
> > necessity 
> > > > of controlling and of not being controlled;
> > > 
> > > Important.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > let them realize that 
> > > > all that they do can be done by any trained disciple of the 
> > > Ageless 
> > > > Wisdom should the occasion warrant it, and circumstances 
> justify 
> > > > such an expenditure of force. Psychics are easily deceived. 
For 
> > > > example, it is of course obvious that on the astral plane 
there 
> > is 
> > > a 
> > > > thought-form of myself, your Tibetan brother. All who have 
> > > received 
> > > > the disciples' degree monthly instructions, all who read the 
> > books 
> > > > which I have sent out into the world with the aid of A.A.B., 
> > [12] 
> > > > also all who are working in my personal group of disciples 
have 
> > > > naturally and automatically aided in the construction of 
this 
> > > astral 
> > > > thought-form.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Here DK says that the astral form created by these disciples 
is 
> > not 
> > > him: 
> > > 
> > > It is not me, nor is it linked to me, nor do I use it. 
> > > > I have definitely disassociated myself from it and do not 
> employ 
> > > it 
> > > > as a means of contacting those I teach, for I work from 
choice 
> > > > entirely on mental levels thereby undoubtedly limiting my 
range 
> > of 
> > > > contacts but increasing the effectiveness of my work. 
> > > 
> > > Masters work only on the mental planes and above.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > This astral 
> > > > thought-form is a distortion of me and my work, needless to 
> say, 
> > > and 
> > > > resembles an animated and galvanized shell.
> > > > 
> > > > Because there is in this form much emotional substance and 
also 
> > a 
> > > > certain amount of mental substance, it can make a wide 
appeal 
> > and 
> > > > its validity is such that like all shells, for instance, 
which 
> > are 
> > > > contacted in the seance room, it masquerades as myself and 
> where 
> > > the 
> > > > intuition is unawakened the illusion is complete and real. 
> > > Devotees 
> > > > can therefore tune in with great facility on this illusory 
form 
> > > and 
> > > > be completely deceived. Its vibration is of a relatively 
high 
> > > order. 
> > > > Its mental effect is like a beautiful parody of myself and 
> > serves 
> > > to 
> > > > place the deluded devotees in touch with the scroll of the 
> > astral 
> > > > light, which is the reflection of the akashic records. These 
> > > latter 
> > > > are the eternal scroll whereon the plan for our world is 
> > inscribed 
> > > > and from which those of us who teach gather our data and 
much 
> of 
> > > our 
> > > > information. This, the astral light distorts and steps down. 
> > > Because 
> > > > this is a distorted image and functions in the three worlds 
of 
> > > form 
> > > > and has no source of validity higher than those of form, it 
has 
> > in 
> > > > it the seeds of separativeness and of disaster. Forms of 
> > flattery 
> > > > are sent out from it, ideas of separateness, those thoughts 
> > which 
> > > > feed ambition and which foster love of power, and those 
germs 
> of 
> > > > desire and personal longing (which divide groups) emerge 
from 
> > > > contact with it. The results to those who are deceived 
thereby 
> > are 
> > > > sad."
> > > > 
> > > DK has returned in a physical body, just as HPB and will work 
> with 
> > > his disciples again in that form. There is no need to invent 
or 
> > > reinvent him. He will reveal himself when the time comes. 
> > > 
> > > Netemara
> > > 
> > > More
> > 
> > Here is the more: Why study these things such as mediumship and 
> > mental contact with those living and dead? It is because there 
will 
> > be an increase in this type of awareness with the generation 
that 
> is 
> > growing up now. Think about it, sooner or later people are going 
to 
> > be well aware that they have lived before. THey are going to sit 
> > straight up and recall dying in a war suddenly or having their 
head 
> > cut off. These are the types of experiences that stay with the 
soul 
> > long after the body has been burned or buried.
> > 
> > We as disciples of the Christ need to be well aware of how to 
help 
> > those who will ask questions, and those who will want to probe 
> > deeper into this arena. They will need to have meditations, and 
> > guided meditations to help them make sense of these sanskaras 
and 
> > these memories. Some of what I am saying is from a prophecy by 
DK 
> > but I am beginning to see it as well.
> > 
> > In my daughter's life I see her living out memories of her life 
as 
> > my mother. It is so striking to me that it shows me these 
memories 
> > are closer to the surface than I even thought. But in her time 
she 
> > will recall even though she is living it now.
> > 
> > Netemara
> 
> So, is Alice Baily a Teosophist? 

Yes, in fact she was. She studied "The Secret Doctrines" in 
California under some of HPB's old students and was well-grounded in 
Theosophy. See her "Unfinished Autobiography" all the books are 
online. I think I have posted the link.

Maybe after Annie Bessant? 

Annie Besant and Olcott and HPB were all contemporaries. Annie was 
younger than HPB and thus lived on after her death. Annie and Olcott 
ended up being very close and he helped her career, she is a well 
known speaker and one who published things about birth control well 
before they were popular and then were taboo subjects.


> 
> I see so much on channeling these days, and courses on how to do 
it. 
> Most of them say throw a bit of white light around you and 
everything 
> will be fine.

That is quite dangerous as this article points out.

Others go a bit further in terms of what kind of spirit 
> to channel, but none of them talk about channeling thought-form 
type 
> things or astral shells. 

Yes, that is what they don't really know "What" they are channeling. 
Now those who know exactly what and who they are channeling see the 
link that Jim posted re the revolutionaries, can be useful and 
provide help. They are basically guides on the higher astral planes 
is all. That is something I do for myself and thus do not need to 
channel anybody.

> 
> Those channelers who channel passed-on loved ones to give some 
> reassurance to the families that their dear ones are still 'alive' 
> and well--when they aren't after advice or wisdom or anything but 
> simple reassurance, does it really matter if they are channeling a 
> shell?

With shells you get plain maya, and just leftover desire that can 
speak but with great inaccuracy about a thing. The thing about the 
astral plane is not so much that is it an illusory plane, so is 
earth for that matter, but that it contains plain wrong information 
if you do not know how "To read on the astral plane."


Just a thought there.
> 
> Also, there used to be a Theosophy book called "The Lives of 
Alcoyne" 
> or something like that.

Yes, it is out of print and hard to find. I would love to get that 
book. It was written by Leadbetter and he was quite popular after 
writing that book. Everybody wanted to be in it and read it.

It was about a whole series of past lives of 
> the person who gave up his body to be inhabited by the Christ. 
Anyone 
> read that one? Is it still around? 
> 
> Thanks for posting that from DK and Alice Baily. Very interesting. 
> 
> Peace be with us all

Thank you Tree

Light and Love

Netemara
> tree
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