Theos-Talk Archives (June 2004 Message tt00104)

June 18 2004

Thanks Lenny:

I thought so.

It also occurs to me that HPB in PSYCHIC AND NOETIC ACTION states the
"atom" is on the "astral" rather than the physical plane.

As I recall it, Margulis in her study of the sensitivity of plants,
determined an almost instantaneous transfer of emotional impressions
could be detected between "mother" and "daughter" plants. In some
cases the distance between them amounted to thousands of miles.

That would be some corroborating or analogous evidence ?

Dallas

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PS Here is another source just received

Dallas,

Here is another Notice on the Quantum Teleportation Science item,
it has 
graphics of the operation:
 
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/3811785.stm

John


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-----Original Message-----
From: leonmaurer@aol.com [mailto:leonmaurer@aol.com] 
Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2004 10:48 PM
To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: Theos-World FW: New York Times: Science

Dallas,

Not much anyone can say about this, since it is a more or less
superficial 
interpretation by a science reporter, and doesn't give any real
scientific 
information about the experiment itself.  

The only thing I can say about the idea of "entanglement" (or "spooky
action 
at a distance" as Einstein spoke of it) -- is that it is consistent
with the 
Secret Doctrine as well as with my theoretical ABC interpretation of
its 
metaphysics -- in that the center of origin of everything in the
universe is a 
zero-or laya point that, being dimensionless, is everywhere... And
thus, is in 
intimate coadunation (and thereby "entangled") with all other such
zero-points in 
the realm of non local and non directional (nonlinear) primal space.  
Although, science does not recognize the connection between that space
(and its seven 
fold nature) and their supposedly singular "physical" space.  

As for this teleportation effect, it's also possible that to make one
atom 
appear to transport to another position in physical space, one need
only alter 
the condition of its outer electron shells. Boosting such a change
with a 
laser beam after conjunction with a similar atom might be one method
that might 
accomplish this. But, without a thorough understanding and
interpretation of 
the actual scientific data and its relationship with relativity and
quantum 
theories, that is all vague speculation.

Of course, nanotechnology and particle physics have made tremendous
strides 
over the past few years, and there is no telling whether or not they
can ever 
reach (at least in theory) a Star Trek "Beam me up Scotty"
teleportation 
technology. However, since transporting fundamental particles and
transporting 
consciousness are two different things, I doubt that this can ever be
done on the 
organic physical level. In any event, it still remains to be seen how
this 
effect may be useful in the development of quantum computers.
Although, it's no 
more mysterious than the quantum effects that have empowered our
modern 
computers, cell phones, and other miniature electronic gadgets of
today, and 
possibly the nanotechnological implant gadgets of tomorrow that
scientists have 
begun speculating about recently.  

Best wishes,

Lenny 

In a message dated 06/17/04 8:31:09 PM, dalval14@earthlink.net writes:


>June 17th 2004
>
>Dear Lenny:
>
>Any good comments on this ?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Dallas
>
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>
-----Original Message-----

From: jef 

Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2004 9:09 AM

To: Dallas TenBroeck

Subject: New York Times: Science


 



June 17, 2004


Scientists Teleport Not Kirk, but an Atom

By KENNETH CHANG

 


And the beryllium atom said to the Starship Enterprise, beam me up!


Two teams of scientists report today that for the first time they have

teleported individual atoms, taking characteristics of one atom and

imprinting them on a second.


In physics, teleportation means creating a replica of an object, or

at least some aspect of it, at some distance from the original. The

act of teleporting always destroys the original - not entirely unlike

the transporters of the "Star Trek" television shows and movies - so

it is impossible produce multiple copies.


The prospect of using teleportation to move large objects or people

remains far beyond the current realm of possibility. But it could

prove an important component of so-called quantum computers.

Scientists hope that one day such computers will tap quantum mechanics

to solve complex problems quickly by calculating many different

possible answers at once; computers today must calculate each

possibility separately.


The two teams, one at the National Institute of Standards and

Technology in Boulder, Colo., and one at the University of Innsbruck

in Austria, worked independently, but the experiments were similar,

using a process proposed by Dr. Charles H. Bennett, a scientist at

I.B.M., and others in 1993.


"This will be an important part of attempts to build quantum

computers," said Dr. H. Jeff Kimble, a professor of physics at the

California Institute of Technology. He co-wrote a commentary

accompanying the two research papers on the experiments, which appear

today in the journal Nature.


"This is a complicated thing that begins to work," Dr. Kimble said.

"We've reached this point on our journey and it's really quite

significant."


Several scientific groups, including one led by Dr. Kimble, previously

teleported photons, and scientists at the University of Aarhus in

Denmark reported in 2001 that they had teleported the magnetic field

produced by clouds of atoms.


In the new experiments, both teams of scientists worked with triplets

of charged atoms trapped in magnetic fields. The Colorado team used

beryllium; the Innsbruck researchers used calcium.


The feat of teleportation is transferring information from atom A to

atom C without the two meeting. The third atom, B, is an intermediary.


The three atoms can be thought of as boxes that can contain a 1 or a

zero, a bit of information like that used by a conventional computer

chip. The promise of quantum computers is that both a zero and a 1 can

exist at once, just like the perplexing premise described by the

Austrian physicist Erwin Schrödinger in which a cat in a box can be

simultaneously alive and dead until someone looks inside.


First, atoms B and C were brought together, making them "entangled"

and creating an invisible link between the two atoms no matter how far

apart they were. Atom C was moved away. Next, A and B were similarly

entangled.


Then the scientists measured the energy states of A and B, essentially

opening the boxes to see whether each contained a 1 or a zero. Because

B had been entangled with C, opening A and B created an instant change

in atom C, what Albert Einstein called "spooky action at a distance,"

and this, in essence, set a combination lock on atom C, with the data

in A and B serving as the combination.


For the final step, the combination was sent and a pulse of laser

light was applied to atom C, almost magically turning it into a

replica of the original A. Atom A was teleported to atom C.


"It's a way of transferring the information," Dr. Rainer Blatt, leader

of the Innsbruck team, said.


A quantum computer could use teleportation to move the results of

calculations from one part of the computer to another. "Teleportation

in principle could be done pretty quick," said Dr. David J. Wineland,

head of the Colorado team, noting that directly moving atoms

containing intermediate results would almost certainly be too slow.


In the current experiments, the teleportation distances were a

fraction of a millimeter, but in principle, the atoms could be

teleported over much longer distances. The teleportation was also not

perfect, succeeding about three-quarters of the time.


"We're not doing very well yet," Dr. Wineland said. "All of these

operations have to be improved."


Teleporting a much larger object, like a person, appears unlikely, if

not entirely impossible, because too much information would have to be

captured and transmitted.


"It's certainly not useful for any beaming in the 'Star Trek' sense,"

Dr. Blatt of the University of Innsbruck said. "Consider even some

molecules or something small like a virus. I cannot imagine it. As far

as I can see, it's not going to happen."



 
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