Theos-Talk Archives (June 2004 Message tt00011)

Hi Ali,

yes that transit is supposed to be visible around most of the world.

the thing about transits and comets and other heavenly bodies is 
that by the time they are seen what they have portend has already 
happened. They are like periods at the end of a sentence. Only you 
may not be able to read the sentence, only the person who wrote it. 
But everybody can see the end of the sentence in the form of a 
celetial period or sky show.

Yes, they do mean something only people are not privy to that 
meaning, they get it wrong--in fact it is really none of their 
business other than to record it. I just watched the best show on 
gamma rays as they are emitted from a dying star which dies by being 
sucked into the black hole that somehow forms at its core. When it 
dies it sends out two huge beams of light which are all gamma 
radiation. The kind that kills instantly. 

These are also called the death stars. If it even gets remotely 
close to earth, the earth would be burnt and all life would die. How 
fast would be determined by how close the black hole comes. That is 
probably how the grand dissolution will happen when earth is 
reabsorbed by the cosmos. The most important star and sky show and 
no one will be left to record it.  


Netemara

--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Ali Hassan" <ananda_hotai@h...> 
wrote:
> >From: "Dallas TenBroeck" <dalval14@e...>
> >Reply-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> >To: "AA-BNStudy" <study@b...>
> >Subject: Theos-World STARS AND NUMBERS VENUS TRANSITS THE SUN  
JUNE 7-8 
> >2004
> >Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 12:53:51 -0700
> >
> >May 27 2004
> >
> >Re: ASTROLOGY and ASTRONOMY
> >
> >	STARS AND NUMBERS -- H P B
> >
> >
> >
> >Dear Friends:
> >
> >Perhaps the following written by H P B will be found interesting 
in
> >regard to the effect of astronomical events and their influence 
in and
> >around Earth.
> >
> >Best wishes,
> >
> >Dallas
> >
> >----------------------------------
> >
> >	STARS AND NUMBERS
> >
> >
> >ANCIENT civilization saw nothing absurd in the claims of 
astrology, no
> >more than many an educated and thoroughly scientific man sees in 
it
> >today. Judicial astrology, by which the fate and acts of men and
> >nations might be foreknown, [hardly] appeared, nor does it even 
now
> >appear, any more unphilosophical or unscientific than does natural
> >astrology or astronomy-by which the events of so-called brute and
> >inanimate nature (changes of weather, &c.), might be predicted. 
For it
> >was not even prophetic insight that was claimed by the votaries of
> >that abstruse and really grand science, but simply a great 
proficiency
> >in that method of procedure which allows the astrologer to foresee
> >certain events in the life of a man by the position of the 
planets at
> >the time of his birth.
> >
> >Once the probability, or even the simple possibility, of an occult
> >influence exercised by the stars upon the destiny of man admitted-
and
> >why should the fact appear more improbable in the case of stars 
and
> >man than in that of the sun-spots and potatoes?-and astrology 
becomes
> >no less an exact science than astronomy. The earth, Prof. Balfour
> >Stewart, F.R.S., tells us-"is very seriously affected by what 
takes
> >place in the sun" . . . a connection "is strongly suspected 
between
> >epidemics and the appearance of the sun's surface."1
> >
> >And if, as that man of science tells us, "a connection of some
> >mysterious kind between the sun and the earth is more than 
suspected"
> >. . . and the problem is a most important one "to solve," how much
> >more important the solution of that other mystery-the undoubted
> >affinity between man and the stars-an affinity believed in for
> >countless ages and by the most learned among men! Surely the 
destiny
> >of man deserves as much consideration as that of a turnip or a 
potatoe
> >. . . And if a disease of the latter may be scientifically 
foretold
> >whenever that vegetable crops out during a "sun-spot period," why
> >should not a life of disease, or health, of natural or violent 
death
> >be as scientifically prognosticated by the position and 
appearance of
> >the constellation with which man is as directly connected and 
which
> >bears the same relation to him as the sun bears to the earth?
> >
> >In its days, astrology was greatly honoured, for when in able 
hands it
> >was often shown to be as precise and trustworthy in its 
predictions as
> >astronomical predictions are in our own age. Omens were studied 
by all
> >imperial Rome, as much, if not more than they are now in India.
> >Tiberius practised the science; and the Saracens in Spain held
> >star-divination in the greatest reverence, astrology passing into
> >Western Europe through these, our first civilizers. Alphonso, the 
wise
> >king of Castile and Leon, made himself famous in the thirteenth
> >century by his "Astrological Tables" (called Alphonsine); and his 
code
> >of the Siata Purtidas; and the great astronomer Kepler in the
> >seventeenth, the discoverer of the three great laws of planetary
> >motions (known as Kepler's laws) believed in and proclaimed 
astrology
> >a true science. Kepler, the Emperor Rudolph's mathematician, he to
> >whom Newton is indebted for all his subsequent discoveries, is the
> >author of the "Principles of Astrology" in which he proves the 
power
> >of certain harmonious configurations of suitable planets to 
control
> >human impulses. In his official capacity of Imperial astronomer, 
he is
> >historically known to have predicted to Wallenstein, from the 
position
> >of the stars, the issue of the war in which that unfortunate 
general
> >was then engaged. No less than himself, his friend, protector and
> >instructor, the great astronomer Tycho de Brahe, believed in, and
> >expanded, the astrological system. He was forced, moreover, to 
admit
> >the influence of the constellations on terrestrial life and 
actions
> >quite against his will or wish, and merely because of the constant
> >verification of facts.
> >
> >Closely related to astrology is the Kabala and its system of 
numerals.
> >The secret wisdom of the ancient Chaldees left by them as an
> >inheritance to the Jews relates primarily to the mythological 
science
> >of the heavens and contains the doctrines of the hidden or occult
> >wisdom concerning the cycles of time. In the ancient philosophy, 
the
> >sacredness of numbers began with the great FIRST, the ONE, and 
ended
> >with the naught or Zero, the symbol of the infinite and boundless
> >circle, which represents the universe. All the intervening 
figures, in
> >whatever combination, or however multiplied, represent 
philosophical
> >ideas relating either to a moral or a physical fact in nature.
> >
> >They are the key to the archean views on cosmogony, in its broad
> >sense, including man and beings, and relate to the human race and
> >individuals spiritually as well as physically. "The numerals of
> >Pythagoras," says Porphyry, "were hieroglyphical symbols, by means
> >whereof he explained all ideas concerning the nature of all 
things"
> >(De vitâ Pythag.).
> >
> >In the symbolical kabala-the most ancient system left to us by the
> >Chaldeans-the modes of examining letters, words and sentences for
> >hidden meaning were numerical. The gemantria (one of the three 
modes)
> >is purely arithmetical and mathematical, and consists in applying 
to
> >the letters of a word the sense they bear as numbers-letters being
> >used also for figures in the Hebrew as in Greek. Figurative 
Gemantria
> >deduces mysterious interpretations from the shapes of letters 
used in
> >occult manuscripts and the Bible.
> >
> >Thus, as shown by Cornelius Agrippa, in Numbers (X. 35), the 
letter
> >Beth means the reversal of enemies. The sacred anagrams known as
> >Zeruph yield their mysterious sense by the second mode named 
Themura,
> >and consists in displacing the letters and substituting them one 
for
> >another and then arranging them in rows according to their 
numerical
> >value. If, of all operations in the occult sciences there is not 
one
> >that is not rooted in astrology, arithmetic and especially 
geometry
> >are a part of the first principles of magic.
> >
> >The most recondite mysteries and powers in nature are made to 
yield to
> >the power of numbers. And let this not be regarded as a fallacy. 
He
> >who knows the relative and respective numbers or the so-called
> >correspondence between causes and effects will alone be able to 
obtain
> >of a certainty the desired result. A small mistake, a trifling
> >difference in an astronomical calculation and-no correct 
prediction of
> >a heavenly phenomenon becomes possible. As Severinus Boethius 
puts it,
> >it is by the proportion of certain numbers that all things were
> >formed. "God geometrizes" saith Plato, meaning creative nature. If
> >there are so many occult virtues in natural things, "what marvel 
if in
> >numbers which are pure and commixed only with ideas, there should 
be
> >found virtues greater and more occult?" asks Agrippa.
> >
> >Even Time must contain the mystery number; so also does motion, or
> >action, and so, therefore, must all things that move, act, or are
> >subjected to time. But "the mystery is in the abstract power of
> >number, in its rational and formal state, not in the expression 
of it
> >by the voice, as among people who buy and sell." (De Occulta Phil.
> >cap. iii. p. cii.) The Pythagoreans claimed to discern many 
things in
> >the numbers of names. And if those who having understanding were
> >invited to "compute the number and name of the beast" by the 
author of
> >St. John's Revelation it is because that author was a Kabalist.
> >
> >The wiseacres of our generations raise daily the cry that science 
and
> >metaphysics are irreconcilable; and facts prove as daily that it 
is
> >but one more fallacy among the many that are uttered. The reign of
> >exact science is proclaimed on every housetop, and Plato who is 
said
> >to have trusted to his imagination is sneered at, while 
Aristotle's
> >method built on pure reason is the one accepted by Science. Why?
> >Because "the philosophical method of Plato was the inverse of 
that of
> >Aristotle." Its starting-point was universals, the very existence 
of
> >which is, "a matter of faith" says Dr. Draper, and from these it
> >descended to particulars, or details.
> >
> >Aristotle, on the contrary, "rose from particulars to universals,
> >advancing to them by inductions" (Conflict between Religion and
> >Science). We humbly answer to this, that mathematics, the only 
exact
> >and infallible science in the world of sciences-proceeds from
> >UNIVERSALS.
> >
> >
> >	VENUS
> >
> >It is this year especially, the year 1881, which seems to defy and
> >challenge sober, matter-of-fact science, and by its extraordinary
> >events above, as below, in heaven as upon earth, to invite 
criticism
> >upon its strange "coincidences." Its freaks in the domains of
> >meteorology and geology were prognosticated by the astronomers, 
and
> >these every one is bound to respect. There is a certain triangle 
seen
> >this year on the horizon formed of the most brilliant stars which 
was
> >predicted by them, but none the less left unexplained. It is a 
simple
> >geometrical combination of heavenly bodies, they say. As to that
> >triangle, formed of the three large planets-VENUS, Jupiter and
> >Saturn-having aught to do with the destinies of either men or
> >nations-why that is pure superstition. "The mantle of the 
astrologers
> >is burnt and the predictions of some of them, whenever verified, 
must
> >be attributed to simple and blind chance."
> >
> >We are not so sure of that; and, if permitted, will further on 
tell
> >why-meanwhile, we must remind the reader of the fact that VENUS, 
the
> >most intensely brilliant of the three above-named planets, as was
> >remarked in Europe and for all we know in India also-suddenly 
parted
> >company with its two companions and slowly moving onward, stopped
> >above them, whence it goes on dazzling the inhabitants of the 
earth
> >with an almost preternatural brilliancy.
> >
> >The conjunction of two planets happens but rarely; that of three 
is
> >still more rare; while the conjunction of four and five planets
> >becomes an event. The latter phenomenon took place in historical 
times
> >but once, 2449 years B. C., when it was observed by the Chinese
> >astronomers and has not recurred since then.
> 
> This is ridiculous. Conjunctions happen often. Unfortunately, the 
author was 
> not privy to the computers and ephemerides we take for granted.
> 
> >That extraordinary meeting of five large planets forebode all 
kinds of
> >evils to the Celestial Empire and its peoples, and the panic then
> >created by the predictions of the Chinese astrologers was not in 
vain.
> >During the following 500 years, a series of internal broils,
> >revolutions, wars, and changes of dynasty marked the end of the 
golden
> >age of national felicity in the Empire founded by the great Fu-hi.
> 
> Feb 4, 1962. 7 planets in Aquarius, 5 of those from 15 to 18 
degrees.
> 
> >Another conjunction is known to have happened just before the
> >beginning of the Christian era. In that year, three large planets 
had
> >approached so closely together as to be mistaken by many for one
> >single star of an immense size.
> 
> Dubious. Jupiter and Saturn were conjunct, but even children know 
what they 
> are. Uranus was in the vicinity, but as it was not visually 
identified until 
> the 1860's, that's a non-issue.
> 
> >Biblical scholars were more than once
> >inclined to identify these "three in one" with the Trinity, and 
at the
> >same [time] with the "star of the wise men of the East." But they 
saw
> >themselves thwarted in such pious desires by their hereditary
> >enemies-the irreverent men of science, who proved that the
> >astronomical conjunction took place a year before the period 
claimed
> >for the alleged birth of Jesus.
> >
> >Whether the phenomenon forbode good or evil is best answered by 
the
> >subsequent history and development of Christianity, than which, no
> >other religion cost so many human victims, shed such torrents of
> >blood, nor brought the greater portion of humanity to suffer from 
what
> >is now termed the "blessings of Christianity and civilization."
> >
> >A third conjunction took place in 1563 A. D. It appeared near the
> >great nebula in the constellation of Cancer. There were three 
great
> >planets and according to the astronomers of those days-the most
> >nefarious: Mars, Jupiter and Saturn. The constellation of Cancer 
has
> >always had a bad reputation; that year the mere fact of its 
having in
> >its neighborhood a triune conjunction of evil stars, caused the
> >astrologers to predict great and speedy disasters. These did come 
to
> >pass. A terrible plague broke out and raged in all Europe, 
carrying
> >off thousands upon thousands of victims.
> >
> >And now, in 1881, we have again a visit of three 
other "Wanderers."
> >What do they forebode? Nothing good; and it would seem, as if of 
the
> >great evils they are likely to pour on the devoted heads of 
hapless
> >humanity, the fatal prelude is already being played. Let us 
enumerate
> >and see how far we are from the truth. The nearly simultaneous and
> >certainly in some cases unexpected deaths of great and the most
> >remarkable men of our age. In the region of politics, we find the
> >Emperor of Russia, Lord Beaconsfield, and Aga Khan; in that of
> >literature, Carlyle and George Eliot; in the world of art, 
Rubinstein,
> >the greatest musical genius. In the domain of geology-earthquakes
> >which have already destroyed the town of Casamiceiola on the 
Island of
> >Ischia, a village in California and the Island of Chio which was 
laid
> >entirely waste by the terrible catastrophe-one, moreover, 
predicted
> >for that very day by the astrologer Raphael. In the domain of 
wars,
> >the hitherto invincible Great Britain was worsted at the Cape by a
> >handful of Boers; Ireland is convulsed and threatens; a plague now
> >rages in Mesopotamia; another war is preparing between Turkey and
> >Greece; armies of Socialists and red-handed Nihilists obscure the 
sun
> >of the political horizon in Europe; and the latter thrown into a
> >violent perturbation is breathlessly awaiting the most unexpected
> >events [in the] future-defying the perspicacity of the most acute 
of
> >her political men. In the religious spheres the heavenly triangle
> >pointed its double horn at the monastic congregations and-a 
general
> >exodus of monks and nuns-headed by the children of Loyola, 
followed in
> >France. There is a revival of infidelity and mental rebellion, and
> >with it a proportionate increase of missionary labourers (not 
labour),
> >who like the hordes of Attila destroy much and build but little. 
Shall
> >we add to the list of signs of these nefasti dies, the birth of 
the
> >New Dispensation at Calcutta? The latter though having but a 
small and
> >quite a local importance, shows yet a direct bearing upon our 
subject,
> >i.e., the astrological meaning of the planetary conjunction. Like
> >Christianity with Jesus and his Apostles the New Dispensation can
> >henceforth boast of having had a forerunner in starry heaven-the
> >present triune conjunction of planets. It proves, moreover, our
> >kabalistic theory of periodical cyclic recurrences of events. As 
the
> >Roman sceptical world of 1881 years ago, we are startled by a 
fresh
> >revival of mendicant Ebionites, fasting Essenes and Apostles upon 
whom
> >descend "cloven tongues like as of fire," and of whom we cannot 
even
> >say as of the Jerusalem twelve, "that these men are full of new 
wine,"
> >since their inspiration is entirely due to water, we are told.
> >
> >The year 1881, then, of which we have lived but one-third, 
promises,
> >as predicted by astrologers and astronomers, a long and gloomy 
list of
> >disasters on land, as on the seas. We have shown elsewhere (Bombay
> >Gazette, March 30, 1881) how strange in every respect was the 
grouping
> >of the figures of our present year, adding that another such
> >combination will not happen in the Christian chronology before the
> >year 11811, just 9,930 years hence, when-there will be no more a
> >"Christian" chronology we are afraid, but something else.
> >
> >We said: "Our year 1881, offers that strange fact, that from 
whichever
> >of four sides you look at its figures-from right or left, from 
top or
> >bottom, from the back, by holding the paper up to the light-or 
even
> >upside down, you will always have before you the same mysterious 
and
> >kabalistic numbers of 1881. it is the correct number of the three
> >figures which have most perplexed mystics for over eighteen 
centuries.
> >
> >
> >
> >	6 6 6
> >
> >
> >The year 1881, in short, is the number of the great Beast of the
> >Revelation, the number 666 of St. John's Apocalypsis-that 
Kabalistic
> >Book par excellence. See for yourselves: 1+8+8 +1 make eighteen;
> >eighteen divided thrice gives three times six, or placed in a row,
> >666, "the number of man."
> >
> >This number has been for centuries the puzzle of Christendom and 
was
> >interpreted in a thousand different ways. Newton himself worked 
for
> >years over the problem, but, ignorant of the secret Kabala, 
failed.
> >Before the Reformation it was generally supposed in the Church to 
have
> >reference to the coming Antichrist. Since then the Protestants 
began
> >to apply it in that spirit of Christian charity which so 
characterizes
> >Calvinism to the Latin Popish Church, which they call 
the "Harlot,"
> >the "great Beast" and the "scarlet woman," and forthwith the 
latter
> >returned the compliment in the same brotherly and friendly 
spirit. The
> >supposition that it refers to the Roman nation-the Greek letters 
of
> >the word Latinus as numerals, amounting to exactly 666-is absurd.
> >There are beliefs and traditions among the people which spring no 
one
> >knows from whence and pass from one generation to the other, as an
> >oral prophecy, and an unavoidable fact to come.
> >
> >One of such traditions, a correspondent of the Moscow Gazette 
happened
> >to hear in 1874 from the mountaineers of the Tyrolian Alps, and
> >subsequently from old people in Bohemia. "From the first day of 
1876,"
> >says that tradition, "a sad, heavy period will begin for the whole
> >world and will last for seven consecutive years. The most 
unfortunate
> >and fatal year for all will be 1881. He who will survive it, has 
an
> >iron head."
> >
> >An interesting new combination, meanwhile, of the year 1881, in
> >reference to the life of the murdered Czar, may be found in the
> >following dates, every one of which marks a more or less important
> >period in his life. It proves at all events what important . and
> >mysterious a part, the figures 1 and 8 played in his life. 1 and 8
> >make 18; and the Emperor was born April 17 (1+7=8) in 1818. He 
died in
> >1881-the figures of the year of his birth and death being 
identical,
> >and coinciding, moreover, with the date of his birth 17=1+7=8. The
> >figures of the years of the birth and death being thus the same, 
as
> >four times 18 can be formed out of them, and the sum-total of each
> >year's numerals is 18. The arrival at Petersburg of the late
> >Empress-the Czar's bride-took place on September 8; their marriage
> >April 16-(8+8=16); their eldest daughter, the Grand Duchess 
Alexandra,
> >was born August 18; the late Czarevitch Nicolas Alexandrovitch, on
> >September the 8, 1843; (1+8+4+3=16, i.e., twice 8). The present 
Czar,
> >Alexander III, was born February 26, (2+6=8); the proclamation of 
the
> >ascension to the throne of the late Emperor was signed February 
18;
> >the public proclamation about the Coronation day took place April 
17
> >(l+7=8). His entrance into Moscow for the coronation was on 
August 17
> >(1+7=8); the Coronation itself being performed August 26 (2+6=8); 
the
> >year of the liberation of the Serfs, 1861, whose numerals sum up
> >16-i.e., twice 8!
> >
> >To conclude, we may mention here a far more curious discovery 
made in
> >relation, and as a supplement, to the above calculation, by a 
Jewish
> >Rabbi in Russia-a Kabalist, evidently, from the use he makes of 
the
> >Gemantria reckoning. It was just published in a St. Petersburg 
paper.
> >The Hebrew letters as stated have all their numerical value or
> >correspondence in arithmetical figures. The number 18 in the 
Hebrew
> >Alphabet is represented by the letters-"HETH" = 8, and "JOD" = 10,
> >i.e., 18. United together Heth and Jod form the word "khaï," 
or "Hai,"
> >which literally translated means the imperative-live and alive. 
Every
> >orthodox Jew during his fast and holy days is bound to donate for 
some
> >pious purpose a sum of money consisting of, and containing the 
number
> >18 in it. So, for instance, he will give 18 copecks, or 18 ten 
copeck
> >bits, 18 rubles or 18 times 18 copecks or rubles-according to his
> >means and degree of religious fervour. Hence, the year 1818-that 
of
> >the Emperor's birth-meant, if read in Hebrew-"khaï, khaï"-or live,
> >live-pronounced emphatically twice; while the year 1881-that of 
his
> >death read in the same way, yields the fatal words "Khaï-tze" 
rendered
> >in English, "thou living one depart"; or in other words, "life is
> >ended."
> >
> >Of course, those sceptically inclined will remark that it is all 
due
> >to blind chance and "coincidence." Nor would we much insist upon 
the
> >contrary, were such an observation to proceed but from 
uncompromising
> >atheists, and materialists, who, denying the above, remain only
> >logical in their disbelief, and have as much right to their 
opinion as
> >we have to our own. But we cannot promise the same degree of
> >indulgence whenever attacked by orthodox religionists. For, that 
class
> >of persons while pooh-poohing speculative metaphysics, and even
> >astrology-- a system based upon strictly mathematical 
calculations,
> >pertaining as much to exact science as biology or physiology, and 
open
> >to experiment and verification-will, at the same time, firmly 
believe
> >that potatoe disease, cholera, railway accidents, earthquakes and 
the
> >like are all of Divine origin and, proceeding directly of God, 
have a
> >meaning and a bearing on human life in its highest aspects. It is 
to
> >the latter class of theists that we say: prove to us the 
existence of
> >a personal God either outside or inside physical nature, 
demonstrate
> >him to us as the external agent, the Ruler of the Universe; show 
him
> >concerned in human affairs and destiny and exercising on them an
> >influence, at least, as great and reasonably probable as that
> >exercised by the sun-spots upon the destiny of vegetables and
> >then-laugh at us. Until then, and so long as no one is prepared 
with
> >such a proof and solution, in the words of Tyndall-"Let us lower 
our
> >heads, and acknowledge our ignorance, priest and philosopher, one 
and
> >all."
> >	H P B
> >
> >Theosophist, June, 1881
> >
> >---------------------Footnotes----------------
> >
> >1 One of the best known vegetable epidemics is that of the potatoe
> >disease. The years 1846. 1860, and 1872 were bad years for the 
potatoe
> >disease. and those years are not very far from the years of 
maximum
> >sun-spots . . . there is a curious connection between these 
diseases
> >affecting plants and the state of the sun. . . . A disease that 
took
> >place about three centuries since, of a periodical and very 
violent
> >character, called the "sweating sickness" . . . took place about 
the
> >end of the fifteenth and the beginning of the sixteenth 
century . . .
> >and this is exactly the sun-spot period. . . . (The Sun and the 
Earth,
> >Lecture by Prof. Balfour Stewart)
> >
> >2 H. H. Aga Khan was one of the most remarkable men of the 
century. Of
> >all the Mussulmen, Shiahs or Soonis, who rejoice in the green 
turban,
> >the Aga's claims to a direct descent from Mahomet through Ali 
rested
> >on undeniable proofs. He again represented the 
historical "Assassins"
> >of the Old Man of the Mountain. He had married a daughter of the 
late
> >Shah of Persia; but political broils forced him to leave his 
native
> >land and seek refuge with the British Government in India. In 
Bombay
> >he had a numerous religious following. He was a high-spirited,
> >generous man and a hero. The most noticeable feature of his life 
was
> >that he was born in 1800-and died in 1881, at the age of 81. In 
his
> >case too the occult influence of the year 1881 has asserted 
itself.
> >
> 
> I find it hard to believe that HPB wrote this, because it is 
gibberish and 
> was written by someone who knew nothing of astrology.
> 
> regards-
> 
> Ali
> 
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