Theos-Talk Archives (April 2004 Message tt00714)

In a message dated 04/29/04 2:33:40 PM, bartl@sprynet.com writes:

>leonmaurer@aol.com wrote:
>> Science can only measure something that has an objective or physical
>reality. 
>
> Which, ultimately, is everything, if you want to believe the Mahatmas.
>
>Current scientific paradigms, however, are designed to eliminate the 
>element of consciousness, which makes it hard to objectively measure 
>anything involving it.
>
> Bart

The reason why current scientific paradigms eliminate consciousness (which 
isn't an "element" of anything) is that they can't imagine or understated what 
it is and where it originates from. It's not "hard to objectively measure an
ything involving it"... It's impossible. There's no way to objectively measure 
subjectivity (the qualia or experience of consciousness) -- but only it's 
neural correlates -- which are material effects on the brain's neurology. 

Even in the face of this impossibility, there are some scientific paradigms 
that consider consciousness as an effect of the brain's electromagnetic fields, 
and others that claim it's a quantum effect, such as "wave form collapse" or 
"back wave," etc. But, while they can measure some of that, they still cannot 
measure consciousness or awareness itself. Thus, science will never be able 
to explain the experience of consciousness or codify it mathematically or 
otherwise. Not to say that they haven't beaten their brains out about it over the 
past twelve years since philosopher David Chalmers seminal thesis forced it 
into the mainstream of scientific effort. See: 
www.u.arizona.edu/~chalmers/online.html

And, thus, science is at a complete standstill when it comes to explaining 
the cause and actual mechanisms of conscious perception ... That, (as per my ABC 
theory which is entirely consistent with theosophical metaphysics) involves 
transfer of perceptive information holographically through coenergetic 
hyperspace fields that are beyond the scope of conventional physics or their measuring 
instruments. 

Therefore, since consciousness is not any part or aspect of matter, it can 
only be proven by being it. And, its only measure, is the degree that we 
subjectively experience it. (Some of us have only plant consciousness, others, 
animal, and some few, human -- if not godlike. :-) But that has nothing to do with 
science -- which can only consider the substance (fields of consciousness) 
between the experience of consciousness (at the zero-point outside of all space 
and time) and the surrounding physical world.

Leon