Theos-Talk Archives (April 2004 Message tt00111)

Tony, Zack,

May I offer my two cents here?

I think you are both right. The Absolute is beyond thought itself... Since, 
it is the rootless root that exists prior to the manifestation of the mind 
principle. And, as it is abstract unconditioned ideation in itself, it can have 
no relationship to conditioned thought. Thus, we have to take it as a given. 
But, that doesn't mean we can't think about it. 

While the Absolute has no attributes that can be described, it certainly has 
aspects that can be thought about and discussed. These aspects are; absolute 
abstract motion; absolute stillness; infinite potential to be both one and 
many; infinite divisibility; infinite expandability; infinite potential 
consciousness; infinite degrees of infinitesimal variations in the substantiality of 
matter; etc., etc. All this is covered by the concept of "omniscience, 
omnipotence and omnipresence." 

So, what's to stop us from thinking about these potentials by expanding them 
into manifestation logically, so as to reflect back on their rootless root or 
origin and, thereby, get to know it through its own reflection in our mind? 

Thus, if we consider the Absolute as the zero-point of pure subjectivity, 
along with its potential of infinite awareness and infinite will -- while 
considering that it is the root of all manifestation in which we exist 
individually as a single ray of that point extended through time -- we certainly can 
think about it in those terms... 

How done? Simply, by first separating ourselves from it (through 
concentrated thought focussed on its singularity)... And, with the realization that we 
are not only it, but also have its same powers of perception -- look back at it 
to the first moment of time when its first logos emanated from it as a 
conditioned reality... And, then, as described in the Book of Dzyan and further 
explained in the Secret Doctrine (and also implied in Patanjali's Yoga Aphorisms) 
-- look forward and follow every twist and turn of its subsequent involution 
and further evolution through all its "kingdoms," "houses" and individual 
"beings," until we appear as individual selves in human bodies on this planet 
Earth. 

Therefore, although we can never touch it, we can approach it in our mind, 
using both our intuition and imagination, and look at it from both the outside 
in and the inside out (by being it). And, thereby, think about how its state 
at the beginning (of manifestation) and at its end are identical (other than 
its increased level of experience), and logically follow all the ups, downs, 
ins, outs, and in betweens of all its infinite fields of (coadunate but not 
consubstantial) consciousness -- which are dependent directly on the level of 
spinergy or angular momentum of any portion of the zero-point's undiminishable 
infinite abstract motion or spin. (This is what Krishna meant when he said in the 
Bahagavad Gita, "I create this entire Universe with one small part of myself, 
and yet remain separate.")

Thus, skipping all the in-between stages as we travel back, we can imagine 
the Absolute in our mind's eye as an abstract empty point of zero dimension 
that is spinning at an infinite velocity in an infinite number of directions on 
an infinite number of axes, at 3, 4, 7, 10 or more harmonic levels of potential 
substantiality. 

If we narrow our vision down to one (horizontal) axis of this spinning point, 
and observe one ray of that spinning force centrifugally emanated outward 
into the first 2D field of manifestation (first logos) -- we see it appearing as 
a circular plane whose circumference loops through a Mobius spiral passing 
through the zero point twice like a figure eight inscribed in a circle. 

As this plane is also spinning on a perpendicular (vertical) axis of the 
originating zero-point -- we can construct an image in our mind of the resultant 
spherical Monad or second manifest triune logos... That is composed of an 
outer spherical field (representing Atma) of interwoven lines or rays of cosmic 
Force (that descends in frequency-energy between the outer points of its pole 
from near infinite to near zero) -- surrounding two inner spherical fields 
representing Buddhi at the higher frequency-energy level and Manas at the lower 
frequency-energy level. 

This first triune spherical field structure, existing in three separate 
although interconnected aspects of what we might call in modern scientific terms, 
"hyperspace," is the form of the first Monad -- that is the model of all 
subsequent monads... As this involution proceeds fractally, until the 14 inner 
fields of consciousness of the entire Cosmos is manifested sequentially 
(although, in our physical time, apparently simultaneously) -- following the formula 
in the Book of Dzyan -- "The one, the three, the one, the four, the one the 
five, the twice seven, the sum total." 

At this point the universe is in the perfect symmetry of its Third Logos 
state, when the Dhyan Chohans are awakened to consciousness prior to the breaking 
of symmetry, as the subsequent intelligently guided evolution of the 
phenomenal Universe commences. 

If we then consider that all the lines of force that weave all these fields 
(on their circumference where all action occurs) are in themselves dual and 
vibrating in opposite polarities, as well as spirally intertwined (like the 
ladder of DNA) -- we can imagine that all the information of the memory of this 
Cosmos' (or, analogously, the Solar System's) previous experience can be encoded 
holographically within the interference patterns of those vibrations -- with 
each sinuous wave pattern and subsequent element of form evolving from it 
having its own zero or laya point of origination. It follows that, since each 
energy level and its frequency of vibration are directly related, and since all 
these outer and inner fields (in all their involutional and evolutional 
configurations) also have their own center of origination in a zero point of absolute 
space -- they must be (as individual entities in themselves) similarly 
conscious in varying degrees. 

This third logos stage, then, can be considered as the fields of c
onsciousness of the first seven Dhyan Chohans, who are the "Architects of the Universe." 
>From then on, all the way down through the elements of our own physical 
bodies, to their individual zero-points of origin -- we can think about anything 
we put our minds to. And, in effect, can recreate or disassemble anything that 
the Dhyan Chohans were capable of. But to actually experience the methods 
and means of doing this, each one has to find that out for themselves -- 
provided we accept the ideas that "as above, so below," "the microcosm is the mirror 
of the macrocosm," "everything can be explained by analogy and 
correspondence," and that nothing is impossible for the mind focussed at its zero-point -- 
where the Master within resides... Provided one knows and understands the 
fundamental laws of nature, how its forces correlate, and can follow all their 
permutations and limitations as the substance principle descends through all its 
field transformations from the zero-point's absolute emptiness, through its in
finite spin-force in potential "informational" space, to its infinite step by 
step expansion into actual "phenomenal" or "formational" space. 

But, even all that is just scratching the surface of how deep we can go and 
what we can comprehend by concentrating our minds on the Absolute and its 
involution and evolution -- with constant reference to and application of the 
fundamental principles... And, in the process of such mental construction, 
reflecting on their source and its abstract potentialities. Continuous practice of 
this mode of meditative concentration ultimately leads to full control of all the 
Siddhi powers, enlightenment, and ultimate Adeptship. 

Of course, while it's possible for any of us to think about the Absolute and 
its potentials, and for some of us to actually experience it directly -- its 
impossible to describe it in terms other than through its reflected 
manifestation from emptiness to fullness -- a superficial run through of which I have 
offered above and illustrated symbolically on my web sites.

Best wishes,

LHM 
Ref: http://users.aol.com/uniwldarts/uniworld.artisans.guild/chakrafield.html
http://users.aol.com/leonmaurer/invlutionflddiagnotate.gif
http://users.aol.com/leonmaurer/Invlutionfldmirror2.gif
http://tellworld.com/Astro.Biological.Coenergetics/ABC_bw.html


In a message dated 03/26/04 10:07:00 AM, zakkduffany@earthlink.net writes:

>Tony,
>
>I shall try to clarify my comments. Absolute is prior to thought. That
>makes the statement "It is beyound the range and reach of thought" 
>a true statement. Similar to this is the statement "unthinkable and 
>unspeakable". I do not dispute this either. But one can look deeper.
>
>It is unspeakable because there are no terms, terms are limited and the
>Absolute is not. It being beyond the range of thought is not disputed. 
>Therefore, one needs to go beyond the range of thought. In this
>manner, the understanding of the Absolute is clearer. 
>
>I mentioned about going before thought. When this is done, there is not
>the "barrier" of thought in existence. One experiences. One understands.
>But not through thought. Thought is brought about after.
>It is a tool for the Conscious Self Awareness to work with in the 
>limited attempt of explanation. The simpler the thought, the
>easier the understanding, so to speak. 
>
>In my comments about being closer to the Absolute. It is not the closer
>to the Presence of it. It is the closer to the understanding of it.
>There is much difference between the two. Also it can be looked as the
>Absolute holds not the individuality or separateness that thphysical 
>state does. Seeing the Absolute as a Oneness state, then the less
>individualality, the closer the state is to resembling, reflecting, etc., 
>the state of the Absolute. The closeness I had presented
>had nothing to do with the Presence of the Absolute inrelation to 
>the Presence of anything else. Proximity relations were not an issue.
>
>I hope these comments bring about a clearer understanding of the intent
>of my words.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
>
> From: Tony 
>
> To: study@blavatsky.net 
> Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2004 3:13 PM
> Subject: [bn-study] Re: levitation and clear light
>
> Zack
>
> In the Theosophical Teachings it makes it clear and simple (?) in the
>first fundamental proposition ("The Secret Doctrine," vol. I, page 14,
>original edition), that whether the Absolute == "An Omnipresent, Eternal,
>Boundless and Immutable PRINCIPLE" == is thought of in terms of "complex
>thinking" or "simple thinking," it is really neither here nor there, as
>"It is beyond the range and reach of thought --- in the words of Mandukya,
>'unthinkable and unspeakable'." It just can't be thought of, even though
>many of us try to do just that, which isn't necessarily wrong. The fact
>that we can't think of it, puts it right out of the range of simplicity
>and complexity. 
>
>
> Are some things closer to the Absolute than others? I find it difficult
>to see that a host of Dhyani Buddhas, or "advanced" spiritual Beings, is
>closer to the Absolute, than a genetically modified tomato, because it
>is said that the Absolute is in everything and is everywhere. Is it as
>simple as that, or is it more complex? 
>
> Tony
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> From: Zakk Duffany [mailto:zakkduffany@earthlink.net]
> Sent: 25 March 2004 3:31 am
> To: study@blavatsky.net
> Subject: [bn-study] Re: levitation and clear light
>
>
> Bill,
>
> It seems to be the Human nature that needs to make things complex.
>The closer to the Absolute a matter is, the less complex it
>is. The complex thinking has a very difficult time with thinking in
>the simplicities. This seems to be a large hurdle for the Human mind
>to overcome, making the Absolute basically impossible to grasp. Once
>it is thought in simplicities, it is simple. When it is thought in
>complexities, it is complex. It only follows suit, so to speak. Simplicities
>can be spoken in common, everyday terms. I do believe 
>the time shall come where all will speak in the simplicities and terms
>shall be the common to all.
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
>
> From: Bill Meredith 
> To: study@blavatsky.net 
> Sent: Monday, March 22, 2004 11:59 AM
> Subject: [bn-study] Re: levitation and clear light
>
>
> Zakk Duffany writes:
>
> I have no affiliation with any group, sect, or that which has
>a specific way of thinking. My only affiliation is with
>Truth and it's Companions. It is the pulse of my being. 
>
> Zakk, I share your understanding. I also am looking for that shade
>tree beneath which we can sit together and talk about living and dying
>in common terms and simple concepts. As we share in authentic 
>communication with each other we may experience that harmony 
>which is the pulse of our being.
>
> regards,
>
> Bill 
>
>