Theos-Talk Archives (April 2004 Message tt00066)

Hello Steve, 

Having read many of Dion Fortune's works, I can understand the 
feeling that it is weird, but if you practice some of her techniques, 
they really do seem to work. Her fiction is especially rich in useful 
information. 

There is some record that Violet Firth was once a member of the TS, 
but I think her conception of Masters are closer to the Golden Dawn 
idea (she was also a member of this group) of the Secret Cheifs. 
These are the three Adepts who work in secret to distil information 
in various organizations such as Freemasonry, the Rosicrusions, 
Theosophy, Martinsm, Neoplatonism, and of course the Golden Dawn. 
Since they keep themselves in Secret, no-one really know's who they 
are and where they are meeting with the other lower adepts of the 
Secret Brotherhood. One can only feel the affects and tune into the 
current. 

Another highly recommended writer is Paul Foster Case who gives an 
interesting "mental reality" of a Great and Invisable School of the 
Rosicrusions that one can tap into and join, the physical schools 
only being outer orders that may or may not lead you into this 
Invisable Great college of learning. In this way, the Great Teachers 
will act through people that you may or may not know, the 
intitiations will be your life experiences, etc. once you know the 
language and keys to read the signs, codes, and cyphers all about 
you. This may also seem like strange stuff.

I've known people who, having spent years studying the Secret 
Doctrine, have achieved some form of alternate, yet 
functional "reality." I guess the key here is FUNCTIONAL as we all 
live in our "realities" some more functional than others. In another 
person's "reality" it is you who are living in the "illusion" and 
vice versa. 

There is also a state of instability, the unborn state where one can 
shift ones reality, much like changing channels on a TV set. The 
longer one stays in this state, the greater is his Imprint 
Vulnerability. In this state all forms are meaningless. 
Unfortunately, it is so unstable that one can make it into 
a "reality" as well, and a disfunctional one at that. That's why it 
requires expert help. Hence the need for a Master.

We humans seem to work on many more levels than we are conscious of...

Koshek Swaminathan




--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "stevestubbs" <stevestubbs@y...> 
wrote:
> --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "kpauljohnson" 
<kpauljohnson@y...> 
> wrote:
> > > I've always been partial to the perspective of the ex-
Theosophist 
> > > Dion Fortune (Violet Mary Firth)-- that the Masters as we 
> perceive 
> > > them are all imagination, but that the Masters are also real. 
(DF 
> > > famously said about Blavatsky: "I think she faked the letters, 
> but 
> > I don't think she faked the Masters.") 
> > 
> > Very much in accord with the conclusions of A.O. Hume, and it 
> > perplexes me that Hodgson ignored/rejected that alternative in 
> favor 
> > of the no Masters hypothesis.
> 
> Actually, Hodgson said in his Report that he thought Blavatsky had 
> been imposed upon by some people in India whi (mis)represented 
> themselves as masters, but he does not seem to have worked that 
> thesis out. The Report was filled with serious flaws, but was no 
> worse than every single one of the Theosophical defenses against 
it, 
> all of whch were equally bad. Special pleading is no better when 
> used to attack than when used to defend Theosophy.
> 
> Unless I am mistaken, Diomn Fortune was an Hermetic Kabbalist and 
not 
> a Theosophist. Her best book was PSYCHIC SELF-DEFENCE, which has 
to 
> be one of the weirdest books ever written. I have not read it yet, 
> but Stanislas de Guaita's CLEF DE LA MAGIE NOIRE has been described 
> in terms which suggest it may also be in that category.