Theos-Talk Archives (February 2004 Message tt00053)

Well let's just see the result if America stops outsourcing. Companies will 
need to save money so ther would be less employed who would have to work 
for less and work a whole lot more hours, in other words, be corporate slaves. 
It's either that or the company goes bankrupt. Productivity will go down which 
means less profits and this causes a vicious cycle since less money would be 
generated to hire more employees. This means more low paying jobs, or less 
jobs, and no free time. 

Now if you want to incease productivity and jobs, hire more and more cheap 
labor off shore. Now you will need more and more people to manage the 
labor, so for every twenty people outsourced you would have a manager. His 
salary can be payed beyond six figures because you have more productivity. 
You can call this a theory but I call it plain and simple common sense.

I actually know individuals who have quit the corporate world and started their 
own businesses thanks to outsourcing. They are able to produce more work 
than large corporations and even out compete them on bids. This is a definite 
leverage for the little guy. 





--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "arielaretziel" <arielaretziel@y...> wrote:
> 
> Those "numbers" keep shifting everyday. I think your Greenspan has just 
> announced more job losses in America. But in theory, I hope what you say 
is 
> correct. Let's just wait and see.
> 
> Living in India, I've noticed how much the Indian economy has picked up 
> these last few years. I know Europe is doing very poorly but this seems 
more 
> a result of making the Union which can be temporary. Economies are fragile 
> and it is hard to know all the componants that make them work. 
> 
> So I would not put all the blame on outsourcing, but I do think it may have a 
> part to play for good or bad. And perhaps we will never know until it 
happens 
> how it fits into the economic equations.
> 
> A^A^
> 
> 
> --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "somethingnew372004" <
> somethingnew372004@y...> wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > Outsourcing is what is saving the American economy. Take away that and 
it 
> is 
> > doomed. This is what many economists will tell you. There is also the 
> > arguement that unemployment will ruin the economy.
> > 
> > We heard the same arguements 20 years ago. When the computer 
replaced 
> > many jobs and reduced entire accounting departments to the bare 
> essentials, 
> > it eventually led to the biggest boom in American history... And lots of new 
> > higher paying jobs. 
> > 
> > More $20/hr+ jobs are being created everyday because of outsourcing. 
> Why? 
> > Because companies are suffering from a lack of managers, directors, 
> > andcreative people to handle all those outsourced jobs which are 
> increasing 
> > productivity. Go back to minimum wage if you want. I'll just take one of 
these 
> > new jobs, thank you very much.
> > 
> > And for all that, we pay them $2/hr or less and they are upper middle class 
> in 
> > their respective countries. Which means more money being saved and put 
> > into research and development jobs, creative jobs, and managment jobs. 
> > 
> > Actually, don't take my word for it, LOOK AT THE ECONOMY AND THE 
JOB 
> > MARKET. Do you think Greenspan is lying? Unemployment is going 
down. 
> > There is a Job surplus of atleast 100,000 and it's growing. I'm simply going 
> by 
> > numbers. Obviousley it looks like we are headed for another boom and it 
> > looks quite big. 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "stevestubbs" <stevestubbs@y...> 
> wrote:
> > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Bart Lidofsky <bartl@s...> wrote:
> > > > I should have commented on Leon's statement earlier.
> > > 
> > > Since you mentioned book sellers and publishers having a cjanging 
> > > market I was just wondering what your take is on the larger system of 
> > > changes that is taking place. It's happening in Europe as well, but 
> > > it will hit them after we have been thoroughly hammered because the 
> > > kind of aggressive cynicism that is applauded in American businessmen 
> > > is considered rawtha embarrassing there. It is every bit as 
> > > pervasive but more bashful amd hesitant. One thing is for certain: 
> > > this world is not a universal brotherhood. Pardon me while I 
> > > practice my Tarzan yell.