Theos-Talk Archives (January 2004 Message tt00416)

Hi Christina
Yes it is exactly what I wean with my quotation, I just changed the verb because I read the Portuguese edition.
Ariel is good on correcting what the other says but didnīt understand this extract.He thinks we need HPB alive to explain it.
Krishtar
----- Original Message ----- 
From: christinaleestemaker 
To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, January 26, 2004 7:25 PM
Subject: Theos-World Re: The mind murders the real


Hallo Krish,
The Thinking Power is the GREAT SLYER OF MIND!!!!! That is what the 
Indian Yoga learns and that is right.

(Think on the "monkey mind",a favorite speeking of UPADHAYA, that is 
not the mind), but the THINKING POWER.
by Christina





--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "krishtar" <krishtar_a@b...> wrote:
> The "quote" does not come from the Stanzas of Dyzan, it's from The 
Voice in
>  
> the Silence. And unfortunately, unlike the Stanzas, we don't have 
the good =
> 
> fortune to have HPB's commentary for this ancient book, so anyone's 
guess 
> on this line is as good as any other. Of course, if you 
succesfully slay y=
> our 
> Manas, you will be rewarded with Avitchi. Good luck,
> 
> Ariel
> 
> 
> --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "krishtar" <krishtar_a@b...> 
wrote:
> > Ariel
> > 
> > 
> > I am sorry that my discussion is irrelevant and a gossip for you.
> > But I donīt wish to be framed in one type or another.
> > I study theosophy but I donīt consider anything in it a Dogma.
> > If you belong to the " first group" you can recall that:the " 
mind is th=
> e true 
> murderer of the Real.." ( Dzyan Stanzas )
> > It means that everything we catch through our physical sences - 
the mind =
> -  
> is not the reality.
> > In this plane we do not see things as they are, but how they look 
like.
> > 
> > Krishtar
> > 
> > 
> > Arielreziel wrote:
> > 
> > (...)Much of this discussion is quite irrelevant. Relevant for 
you perhap=
> s. 
> > Theosophists can be grouped in two groups. Those who have 
studied the 
> > Secret Doctrine, and those who have not..(...)
> > 
> > (...) What you are saying is like saying the color Red is an 
illusion whi=
> le 
> > the color Blue is REAL just because it vibrates in a higher 
frequency. (.=
> ..)
> > 
> > (...) Much of this discussion is quite irrelevant. Relevant for 
you perha=
> ps. 
> > Theosophists can be grouped in two groups. Those who have 
studied the 
> > Secret Doctrine, and those who have not.. Those who haven't 
always seem 
> > interested in the Masters, J. Krishnamurti, T.S. history, and 
gossip and.=
> ..(...)
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Original Message ----- 
> > From: arielaretziel 
> > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
> > Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2004 11:52 PM
> > Subject: Theos-World Re: Why Blavatsky & chelas
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Much of this discussion is quite irrelevant. Relevant for you 
perhaps. =
> 
> > Theosophists can be grouped in two groups. Those who have 
studied the =
> 
> > Secret Doctrine, and those who have not.. Those who haven't 
always seem=
>  
> > interested in the Masters, J. Krishnamurti, T.S. history, and 
gossip an=
> d I =
> > guess 
> > that is the direction of their natural inclination. I see 
nothing wrong=
> wit=
> > h that.  
> > When I was a child I was never atrracted towards cars and 
toys but 
> rathe=
> > r to 
> > books and stars. We will naturally tend to what intersts us 
most. 
> > 
> > As for Maya, Theosophy and Esoteric Buddhist do not consider 
the 
> physical 
> > plane to be an illusion. Rather our perception of the physical 
plane is=
> an =
> > 
> > illusion for we see not all things as they are. Therefore a 
rope appear=
> s to=
> > be a 
> > snake. The physical plane is a REAL plane! It is the denser 
vibrations =
> of a=
> >    
> > spectrum. What you are saying is like saying the color Red is 
an illusi=
> on 
> w=
> > hile 
> > the color Blue is REAL just because it vibrates in a higher 
frequency. =
> 
> > 
> > A^A^
> > 
> > 
> > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "krishtar" <krishtar_a@b...> 
wrote:
> > > Hi
> > > That is what it seems to be in this plane of existence, but 
what abou=
> t in=
> > the 
> > Real plane?
> > > The plane from where we all come from?
> > > The 2 masters mentioned really lived in the caves if you 
speak of a 
> mater=
> > ial 
> > point of view.
> > > This plane, as you wisely know, is not the real one, we live 
in the m=
> ater=
> > ial, 
> > the Maya world.
> > > What I meant is not that the 2 masters learned from her in 
this plane=
> but=
> > the 
> > entire theosophic plan was designed in the upper planes.
> > > What our civillization saw , heard and learned from them as 
phenomems=
>  
> > and esoterical teachings on ancient wisdom were only the top of 
a huge =
> 
> > iceberg which magnificence we cannot imagine.
> > > She was part of this hyerarchy.
> > > When we incarnate our roles sometimes go inverted.
> > > The theosophical movement was designed in the higher planes 
and 
> HPB 
> > was its exponent, not a simply woman chosen by a couple of 
tibetan 
> masters =
> > 
> > to bring an ancient wisdom to the world, based in her special 
physich 
> power=
> > s.
> > > I mean in the higher planes it was all planned and carefully 
designed=
> to 
> =
> > be 
> > like it was.
> > > HPB was the chief, although when incarnated was humbly half-
aware of =
> 
> > this.
> > > Much of it was revealed to her during the period where she 
stayed in =
> 
> Tibb=
> > et.
> > > Some high hierarchy monks, or lamas, recognized her.
> > > It became part of Blavatskyīs truely esotheric life of her 
and her Ma=
> ster=
> > s, 
> > from which so little we have access to.
> > > We know that she smoked a lot, used to eat fatty food 
sometimes, at 
> times=
> >    
> > too aggressive for no visible reason, all signals of an 
ordinary human =
> 
> bein=
> > g.
> > > Her true essence was very well concealed.
> > > I am talking about the essence of it.
> > > 
> > > Best wishes.
> > > 
> > > Krishtar
> > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > From: christinaleestemaker 
> > > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
> > > Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2004 7:47 PM
> > > Subject: Theos-World Re: Why Blavatsky
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Dear Krishtar,
> > > From where You Have that WISDOM ??????
> > > 
> > > You will say that Morya and Kuthumi were her disciples?
> > > This two lived in Tibet and on a very restfull and 
beautiful place =
> 
> > > near the end of a river in the forest.One in a kind of 
cave on the=
>  
> > > higher path and the other in a same kind on the other side 
of the 
> > > river and down  
> > > in the valley they meet each other sometimes in a kind of 
chappel.
> > > 
> > > They have not been the chela's of Blavatsky!!!!!!
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "krishtar" 
<krishtar_a@b...> wro=
> te:
> > > > Hi dear
> > > > I gess not.
> > > > Although she didnīt know, her Masters were her chelas, 
not the 
> > > opposite.
> > > > In her " lower mind", or in her " incarnated ego" ( to 
stabilish =
> a 
> > > difference) she was unaware of this, but the masters unly 
used her=
>  
> > > to express not only the secret dharmas but also her own 
knowledge, =
> 
> > > brought to her under the veils of her vigil inconscience, 
through 
> > > the " amanuensis role ".
> > > > She could read entire works and books which her chelas 
and 
> > > assistants showed her in the astral light.
> > > > In the cosmic plane she is still a special divinity and 
at that 
> > > period it was not different.
> > > > She was much, much more than it is registered in 
anything ever 
> > > written.
> > > > Can you please locate this Dallas article?
> > > > Sometimes I cannot read them through then I save them for 
later 
> > > reading and end up forgeting...
> > > > Best regards
> > > > 
> > > > Krishtar
> > > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > > From: christinaleestemaker 
> > > > To: krishtar_a@b... 
> > > > Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2004 5:55 PM
> > > > Subject: Why Blavatsky
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > A very good question.
> > > > I think in that time she was the only one to find so 
crazy to b=
> e 
> > > > manipulated and use all the lifetime to write what they 
dictate=
> d; 
> > > why 
> > > > self enjoying meditation on the Divine.
> > > > I think Dallis sent a whole story about this and We 
need one we=
> ek 
> > > to 
> > > > read.
> > > > Greetings Christina
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
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