Theos-Talk Archives (January 2004 Message tt00403)

Hallo samblo and all,

My views:

Thanks.
Exactly the dilemma.
But let us have the scriptures from India broadcasted more clearly, so that
even the Un Security Counsil starts
the grow past their middelage level on dealing with security issues in a
non-religious manner !


Try the following with esoteric - meditation :

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Vimanas role and relation to the present religious-political situation -
The USA-coalition versus the Iraq counsil --- and the UN's related role
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These below questions are asked in the year 2004.

1.
How can an non-religous government TODAY talk about
JUSTICE, without being under supiscion for being corrupt or even egoistical
?

And why can a religious government today talk about
the same in a more convincing manner ?


2.
Can a non-religious government at all today talk about
JUSTICE and then be trustworthy ?
What basis are a irreligious government today talking about
JUSTICE from ?

Is it a basis of mixed non-religious ideology and religious ideology ?
And how can such a basis be said to be of any importance, relevance
or even be said to be trustworthy in any sense ?

Or is it an unclear basis - and thereby an immoral basis ?


3.
Can an non-religious government today be said to
be wise while it doesn't take various religious wisdom and teachings into
account ?

4.
Can an non-religious government today be said to be knowledgefull about
how to respond on Terror or Terrorism when it does not base its conclusions
on
a religious background - and instead bases it on a background which could be
said to be dubious because it is non-religous ?

Can an non-religious government today be said to be knowledgefull about
how to respond on Terror or Terrorism when it havn't consulted this planets
various leaders and wise
persons of both an official religious nature or unofficial non-religious
nature ?


5.
How can international law made by the United Nations today be said to
be wise or even honest, when it is only based on a mixed effort
of irreligious and religious parties ?


6.
How can anyone say, that a non-religious ideology today can save this planet
from
its problems ?


7. How can non-religious governments defend that they should have anything
to say,
when the United Nations makes international recommendations on terrorism ?
Can any Non-religious governments be considered to be trustworthy in any
manner ?
Can a religious government be considered more trustworthy ?


8.
Are non-religious governments in fact not just too dangerous for this planet
?

Is any kind of thought out safety-system by such an government not of a
dubious nature ?
Is non-voilence not the only valid choice for people on our planet today ?
If not - why not ?

9.
Justice is a creative power, reviving right and destroying injustice.
Else it is not justice. Please rethink your views.

So much talk about justice by leading politicians these days...


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10-A.
Are your answers the same when we define the words "religious government"
to be

a) a physically speaking non-voilent and non-aggressive body ?

b) a government which do not enforce or promote economical starvation upon
people in their own country or other countries

c) a government which do not enforce or promote changed cultural-religious
lifestyle-patterns upon people in their own country or
other countries by excessive marketing of the massmedias, of physical goods
and/or electronical goods

10-B.
And also when we define the words "terror" or "terrorism" to be the same as

a) "physical violence" and also

b) "the forcing or promotion by a non-religious government or governments
of economical starvation of a religious people or religious countries" and
also

c) "the forcing or promotion of changed cultural-religious
lifestyle-patterns by a non-religious
government or governments excessive by marketing of physical goods and
electronical goods (ie. movies etc.)" ?


Better definitions are to be considered.
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Do not forget, that - genetic engineering, cloning, biological weapons,
chemical weapons, a-bombs, terrorism, non-religious calling themselves
religious,
new weapons not known yet - Vimanas of the past included - or part of the
situation, which have to be dealt with.
This is indeed a different time than 1875-1891 with Blavatsky, cowboys and
saloons --- and Herman Oberth being laughed out of the Auditorium at the
Sorbonne University on France in 1880 because he said the humans before long
would be able to fly by building a machine !
Let us not live in the past - but face the present realities, which
Theosophy 2004 has to relate to if it is real Theosophy and not dead-letter
Theosophy.
Such a theosophy says, that it will fight political corruption - and
especially if is as bad as the present one.
(Letter 1 -1888, Second Annual Convention - April 22-23; - A letter to W.Q.
Judge to read to the Convention summoned for April 22d.)
http://www.theosociety.org/pasadena/hpb-am/hpb-am1.htm

I would like some pretty good answers to these questions by those who
think that they can continue to support this madness which certain
non-religious countries are making.
Or act by saying do not mind - do not matter. Or say I can not do anything.
Small efforts are indeed appreciated.

I do think that persons like Mahatma Ghandi and Martin Luther King Jr. and
newer personalities should be considered when discussing these issues.
And of course also the wisdom teachings.


from
M. Sufilight

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <samblo@cs.com>
To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, January 26, 2004 10:15 AM
Subject: Re: Theos-World Addings on Vimanas...


> Morten,
> You might like this post about "Aliens" as the topic at the "Davos
Summit."
>
>
>
> Davos Summit Discusses ETs
> And Government Leaders
> ET Edge Helps The Balance Sheet
> By A. Craig Copetas
> Bloomberg News
> 1-24-4
>
>
>
> A galactic mystery hovers over the World Economic Forum meeting in Davos,
> Switzerland: How many of the 2,280 global leaders, including 31 heads of
state,
> gathered in this Alpine resort conduct business with extraterrestrials?
This
> is no whimsy for Davosians. It's on the agenda of the annual powwow of
the
> influential and affluent who will ask forum participants such as Vice
President
> Dick Cheney, Coca-Cola Chairman Douglas Daft and De La Rue Chief Executive
> Ian Much if the aliens have landed and are collaborating with them to
concoct
> government policy, brew soda pop and mint Iraq's new bank notes. "The
> extraterrestrials have yet to make contact with me," said Much, who will
help moderate
> tonight's dinner seminar (closed except to forum participants) on The
> Conspiracy Behind Conspiracy Theories: Have Extraterrestrials Made Contact
With
> Government Leaders? The British moneymaker is confident - at least for
now - that
> De La Rue remains the largest nongovernment printer of bank notes in the
> Milky Way. "If the aliens are here," Much reckoned, "I'd absolutely
expect them
> to call me to have their currency printed." Despite the twilight zone
topic
> arching many an eyebrow along the snow-covered strip of fashionable hotel
> bars, forum officials maintain their five-day program on Partnering for
Security
> and Prosperity requires an unambiguous examination of extraterrestrial
presence
> on Earth. "The panelists are the best in their domain; they all have
> expertise in specific fields," explained Philippe Bourguignon, the forum's
co-chief
> executive officer and a former CEO of Club Mediterranee. "The themes and
> sessions at Davos reflect the global agenda." And the public's pulse. A
1996
> Gallup Poll found that 71 percent of Americans believe the government
knows more
> about UFOs than it has disclosed. A Roper poll found that some 80 percent
of
> those questioned think Wall Street and Washington are hiding knowledge of
> extraterrestrial contact. And the Internet search engine Google turns up
as many Web
> pages dedicated to UFOs as it does for investment banking. "It is
possible
> that UFOs really do contain aliens, and the government is hushing it up,"
> Cambridge University physicist Stephen Hawking told British television
viewers in
> a 1998 interview. President Bush's recent call to put a man on Mars
before
> 2030 has swelled investor interest in exotic technologies, last week
boosting
> the Bloomberg Aerospace Index 1.9 percent, its biggest gain since October.
> Earth's leaders prospecting extraterrestrial commerce as part of the
forum's
> agenda has set off anticipation not seen among UFO analysts since Close
> Encounters of the Third Kind was released on DVD.
>
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