Theos-Talk Archives (January 2004 Message tt00398)

The "quote" does not come from the Stanzas of Dyzan, it's from The Voice in=
 
the Silence. And unfortunately, unlike the Stanzas, we don't have the good =

fortune to have HPB's commentary for this ancient book, so anyone's guess 
on this line is as good as any other. Of course, if you succesfully slay y=
our 
Manas, you will be rewarded with Avitchi. Good luck,

Ariel


--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "krishtar" <krishtar_a@b...> wrote:
> Ariel
> 
> 
> I am sorry that my discussion is irrelevant and a gossip for you.
> But I donīt wish to be framed in one type or another.
> I study theosophy but I donīt consider anything in it a Dogma.
> If you belong to the " first group" you can recall that:the " mind is th=
e true 
murderer of the Real.." ( Dzyan Stanzas )
> It means that everything we catch through our physical sences - the mind =
-  
is not the reality.
> In this plane we do not see things as they are, but how they look like.
> 
> Krishtar
> 
> 
> Arielreziel wrote:
> 
> (...)Much of this discussion is quite irrelevant. Relevant for you perhap=
s. 
> Theosophists can be grouped in two groups. Those who have studied the 
> Secret Doctrine, and those who have not..(...)
> 
> (...) What you are saying is like saying the color Red is an illusion whi=
le 
> the color Blue is REAL just because it vibrates in a higher frequency. (.=
..)
> 
> (...) Much of this discussion is quite irrelevant. Relevant for you perha=
ps. 
> Theosophists can be grouped in two groups. Those who have studied the 
> Secret Doctrine, and those who have not.. Those who haven't always seem 
> interested in the Masters, J. Krishnamurti, T.S. history, and gossip and.=
..(...)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Original Message ----- 
> From: arielaretziel 
> To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2004 11:52 PM
> Subject: Theos-World Re: Why Blavatsky & chelas
> 
> 
> 
> Much of this discussion is quite irrelevant. Relevant for you perhaps. =

> Theosophists can be grouped in two groups. Those who have studied the =

> Secret Doctrine, and those who have not.. Those who haven't always seem=
 
> interested in the Masters, J. Krishnamurti, T.S. history, and gossip an=
d I =
> guess 
> that is the direction of their natural inclination. I see nothing wrong=
wit=
> h that.  
> When I was a child I was never atrracted towards cars and toys but 
rathe=
> r to 
> books and stars. We will naturally tend to what intersts us most. 
> 
> As for Maya, Theosophy and Esoteric Buddhist do not consider the 
physical 
> plane to be an illusion. Rather our perception of the physical plane is=
an =
> 
> illusion for we see not all things as they are. Therefore a rope appear=
s to=
> be a 
> snake. The physical plane is a REAL plane! It is the denser vibrations =
of a=
>    
> spectrum. What you are saying is like saying the color Red is an illusi=
on 
w=
> hile 
> the color Blue is REAL just because it vibrates in a higher frequency. =

> 
> A^A^
> 
> 
> --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "krishtar" <krishtar_a@b...> wrote:
> > Hi
> > That is what it seems to be in this plane of existence, but what abou=
t in=
> the 
> Real plane?
> > The plane from where we all come from?
> > The 2 masters mentioned really lived in the caves if you speak of a 
mater=
> ial 
> point of view.
> > This plane, as you wisely know, is not the real one, we live in the m=
ater=
> ial, 
> the Maya world.
> > What I meant is not that the 2 masters learned from her in this plane=
but=
> the 
> entire theosophic plan was designed in the upper planes.
> > What our civillization saw , heard and learned from them as phenomems=
 
> and esoterical teachings on ancient wisdom were only the top of a huge =

> iceberg which magnificence we cannot imagine.
> > She was part of this hyerarchy.
> > When we incarnate our roles sometimes go inverted.
> > The theosophical movement was designed in the higher planes and 
HPB 
> was its exponent, not a simply woman chosen by a couple of tibetan 
masters =
> 
> to bring an ancient wisdom to the world, based in her special physich 
power=
> s.
> > I mean in the higher planes it was all planned and carefully designed=
to 
=
> be 
> like it was.
> > HPB was the chief, although when incarnated was humbly half-aware of =

> this.
> > Much of it was revealed to her during the period where she stayed in =

Tibb=
> et.
> > Some high hierarchy monks, or lamas, recognized her.
> > It became part of Blavatskyīs truely esotheric life of her and her Ma=
ster=
> s, 
> from which so little we have access to.
> > We know that she smoked a lot, used to eat fatty food sometimes, at 
times=
>    
> too aggressive for no visible reason, all signals of an ordinary human =

bein=
> g.
> > Her true essence was very well concealed.
> > I am talking about the essence of it.
> > 
> > Best wishes.
> > 
> > Krishtar
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: christinaleestemaker 
> > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
> > Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2004 7:47 PM
> > Subject: Theos-World Re: Why Blavatsky
> > 
> > 
> > Dear Krishtar,
> > From where You Have that WISDOM ??????
> > 
> > You will say that Morya and Kuthumi were her disciples?
> > This two lived in Tibet and on a very restfull and beautiful place =

> > near the end of a river in the forest.One in a kind of cave on the=
 
> > higher path and the other in a same kind on the other side of the 
> > river and down  
> > in the valley they meet each other sometimes in a kind of chappel.
> > 
> > They have not been the chela's of Blavatsky!!!!!!
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "krishtar" <krishtar_a@b...> wro=
te:
> > > Hi dear
> > > I gess not.
> > > Although she didnīt know, her Masters were her chelas, not the 
> > opposite.
> > > In her " lower mind", or in her " incarnated ego" ( to stabilish =
a 
> > difference) she was unaware of this, but the masters unly used her=
 
> > to express not only the secret dharmas but also her own knowledge, =

> > brought to her under the veils of her vigil inconscience, through 
> > the " amanuensis role ".
> > > She could read entire works and books which her chelas and 
> > assistants showed her in the astral light.
> > > In the cosmic plane she is still a special divinity and at that 
> > period it was not different.
> > > She was much, much more than it is registered in anything ever 
> > written.
> > > Can you please locate this Dallas article?
> > > Sometimes I cannot read them through then I save them for later 
> > reading and end up forgeting...
> > > Best regards
> > > 
> > > Krishtar
> > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > From: christinaleestemaker 
> > > To: krishtar_a@b... 
> > > Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2004 5:55 PM
> > > Subject: Why Blavatsky
> > > 
> > > 
> > > A very good question.
> > > I think in that time she was the only one to find so crazy to b=
e 
> > > manipulated and use all the lifetime to write what they dictate=
d; 
> > why 
> > > self enjoying meditation on the Divine.
> > > I think Dallis sent a whole story about this and We need one we=
ek 
> > to 
> > > read.
> > > Greetings Christina
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
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