Theos-Talk Archives (January 2004 Message tt00086)

Hallo my friend and all of you,

My views are:

They might have some in your country, which you are not aware of.
And they might have another name.

from
M. Sufilight with peace and love...


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "christinaleestemaker" <christinaleestemaker@yahoo.com>
To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 9:04 PM
Subject: Theos-World Re: Clearly false claims, invalid sources, etc.


> funny and laughable.
> in our country we have not fleas!
> So better to be with yourself, that is more acceptable I think.
> And if we take a look in the microscope than we have many partners 
> with us.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Morten Nymann Olesen" <global-
> theosophy@a...> wrote:
> > Hallo Steve and all,
> > 
> > My views are:
> > 
> > Allright.
> > Someone even suggested, that a dog could be put in the bed, 
> > so to see if it could be of any help.
> > 
> > But, that could of course turn into a strange kind of productive 
> mess.
> > Not to talk about the funerals when just one house-flea dies. 
> (smile...)
> > So I think another solution than "fleas" and dogs could be better.
> > 
> > 
> > from
> > M. Sufilight with peace and love...
> > 
> > 
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "stevestubbs" <stevestubbs@y...>
> > To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 7:58 PM
> > Subject: Re: Theos-World Clearly false claims, invalid sources, etc.
> > 
> > 
> > > The way I see it, if you have fleas in your bed you never have to 
> be 
> > > alone again.
> > > 
> > > Unless you just want to.
> > > 
> > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Morten Nymann Olesen" <global-
> > > theosophy@a...> wrote:
> > > > Hallo Paul and all of you,
> > > > 
> > > > My views are:
> > > > 
> > > > Yes.
> > > > The truth about it all seems on one level to be floating along 
> the 
> > > levels of
> > > > Floodlights and Science.
> > > > On another level we are talking about reading the Akasha or the 
> non-
> > > physical
> > > > libraries.
> > > > 
> > > > The first level is pictured by the following little story.
> > > > I admit, that it is maybe not good enough as what you would 
> call a 
> > > required
> > > > refutation.
> > > > Nevertheless to some of us it is quite sufficient.
> > > > 
> > > > Floodlights and Science
> > > > 
> > > > There is this analogy about a man who had fleas in his bed.
> > > > He first put out the light, so that the insects could not see to
> > > > bite. This man was making assumptions which were logical
> > > > enough, but which did not work since he did not know how
> > > > to structure his experience. When someone told him that
> > > > fleas could bite in the dark, he still couldn't learn. He 
> installed
> > > > floodlights to blind the fleas. This seemes to work, wonder of
> > > > wonders; but presently he found that he could feel them biting
> > > > again.
> > > > How did the floodlights 'work'? The fact is, of course, that
> > > > the light so dazzled - him, that his attention was drawn from 
> the
> > > > fleas, giving him the impression that they were not biting him
> > > > any longer. When he got used to the brightness, he begab to feel
> > > > the fleas again.
> > > > He still feels, we are told, that the success lies somewhere 
> along
> > > > the road of floodlights. And he prizes his few brief hours of
> > > > freedom from bites.
> > > > 
> > > > My question is now if you are only collection physical scholary
> > > > "refutations",
> > > > so to make the true "fleas" go away ?
> > > > 
> > > > On the other level the Akasha.
> > > > We talk about time, place and people.
> > > > We talk about that one shall know people on their fruits.
> > > > We also talk about other issues. Some of them without form and 
> > > oridnary
> > > > linear thought-patterns.
> > > > 
> > > > *******
> > > > 
> > > > Allright.
> > > > First refutation: Some books (and therefore also websites) act 
> as 
> > > deliberate
> > > > spiritual 'decoys'. (taken from Idries Shah "Learning how to 
> > > learn".)
> > > > Is that not enough ?
> > > > I have more...
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > from
> > > > M. Sufilight with peace and love...
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > > From: "kpauljohnson" <kpauljohnson@y...>
> > > > To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 4:08 PM
> > > > Subject: Theos-World Clearly false claims, invalid sources, etc.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > > Dear Sufilight,
> > > > >
> > > > > You wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > My views are:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I just came across the following.
> > > > > > I think the following - clearly false claims
> > > > >
> > > > > Clearly? That's one of those words like `obvious' and `self-
> > > > > evident' that people use as if they were objective 
> perceptions but
> > > > > often/usually are really descriptive of subjective judgments.
> > > > >
> > > > > - about Idries Shah shows all of us, why Wikipedia is not a 
> valid
> > > > > tool to use.
> > > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idries_Shah
> > > > > >
> > > > > I've read all of Shah's works and met his most eminent critic 
> > > James
> > > > > Moore. The fact that the article shows `clearly' *to you* 
> that
> > > > > Wikipedia is "not a valid" tool hardly implies that "all of 
> us" 
> > > are
> > > > > convinced by *your* certainty and clarity that Shah was not an
> > > > > impostor.
> > > > >
> > > > > > If Theosophy should be examined by the same superficial 
> method -
> > > > > it wouldn't look good.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Madame Blavatsky can be compared here:
> > > > > > http://en2.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madame_Blavatsky
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I think you have gotten the culturally colored picture by 
> now.
> > > > > >
> > > > > One thing I notice among religious believers as well as 
> political
> > > > > partisans, but never cease to be amazed by it. Somehow, 
> people
> > > > > imagine that calling a book or article or author "culturally
> > > > > colored" or "biased" etc. refutes their facts and 
> interpretations
> > > > > thereof. But there are no books, authors, or articles which 
> are
> > > > > *not* culturally colored, biased, etc. So it would serve 
> just as
> > > > > well as a one-size-fits-all refutation if we were to 
> say "this was
> > > > > written by a human being."
> > > > >
> > > > > It would be interesting to see a correction of any of the 
> facts
> > > > > about Shah presented in the article. No matter how biased the
> > > > > source and how culturally colored, the facts remain and it 
> would 
> > > be
> > > > > preferable (to me at least) to see the facts corrected and 
> > > explained
> > > > > rather than see the source smeared without any evidence.
> > > > >
> > > > > (Lest you assume otherwise, I actually like many of Shah's 
> books.)
> > > > >
> > > > > Cheers,
> > > > >
> > > > > Paul
> > > > >
> > > > > Paul
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
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