Theos-Talk Archives (January 2004 Message tt00074)

Hallo Steve and all,

My views are:

Allright.
Someone even suggested, that a dog could be put in the bed, 
so to see if it could be of any help.

But, that could of course turn into a strange kind of productive mess.
Not to talk about the funerals when just one house-flea dies. (smile...)
So I think another solution than "fleas" and dogs could be better.


from
M. Sufilight with peace and love...


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "stevestubbs" <stevestubbs@yahoo.com>
To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 7:58 PM
Subject: Re: Theos-World Clearly false claims, invalid sources, etc.


> The way I see it, if you have fleas in your bed you never have to be 
> alone again.
> 
> Unless you just want to.
> 
> --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Morten Nymann Olesen" <global-
> theosophy@a...> wrote:
> > Hallo Paul and all of you,
> > 
> > My views are:
> > 
> > Yes.
> > The truth about it all seems on one level to be floating along the 
> levels of
> > Floodlights and Science.
> > On another level we are talking about reading the Akasha or the non-
> physical
> > libraries.
> > 
> > The first level is pictured by the following little story.
> > I admit, that it is maybe not good enough as what you would call a 
> required
> > refutation.
> > Nevertheless to some of us it is quite sufficient.
> > 
> > Floodlights and Science
> > 
> > There is this analogy about a man who had fleas in his bed.
> > He first put out the light, so that the insects could not see to
> > bite. This man was making assumptions which were logical
> > enough, but which did not work since he did not know how
> > to structure his experience. When someone told him that
> > fleas could bite in the dark, he still couldn't learn. He installed
> > floodlights to blind the fleas. This seemes to work, wonder of
> > wonders; but presently he found that he could feel them biting
> > again.
> > How did the floodlights 'work'? The fact is, of course, that
> > the light so dazzled - him, that his attention was drawn from the
> > fleas, giving him the impression that they were not biting him
> > any longer. When he got used to the brightness, he begab to feel
> > the fleas again.
> > He still feels, we are told, that the success lies somewhere along
> > the road of floodlights. And he prizes his few brief hours of
> > freedom from bites.
> > 
> > My question is now if you are only collection physical scholary
> > "refutations",
> > so to make the true "fleas" go away ?
> > 
> > On the other level the Akasha.
> > We talk about time, place and people.
> > We talk about that one shall know people on their fruits.
> > We also talk about other issues. Some of them without form and 
> oridnary
> > linear thought-patterns.
> > 
> > *******
> > 
> > Allright.
> > First refutation: Some books (and therefore also websites) act as 
> deliberate
> > spiritual 'decoys'. (taken from Idries Shah "Learning how to 
> learn".)
> > Is that not enough ?
> > I have more...
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > from
> > M. Sufilight with peace and love...
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "kpauljohnson" <kpauljohnson@y...>
> > To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 4:08 PM
> > Subject: Theos-World Clearly false claims, invalid sources, etc.
> > 
> > 
> > > Dear Sufilight,
> > >
> > > You wrote:
> > > >
> > > > My views are:
> > > >
> > > > I just came across the following.
> > > > I think the following - clearly false claims
> > >
> > > Clearly? That's one of those words like `obvious' and `self-
> > > evident' that people use as if they were objective perceptions but
> > > often/usually are really descriptive of subjective judgments.
> > >
> > > - about Idries Shah shows all of us, why Wikipedia is not a valid
> > > tool to use.
> > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idries_Shah
> > > >
> > > I've read all of Shah's works and met his most eminent critic 
> James
> > > Moore. The fact that the article shows `clearly' *to you* that
> > > Wikipedia is "not a valid" tool hardly implies that "all of us" 
> are
> > > convinced by *your* certainty and clarity that Shah was not an
> > > impostor.
> > >
> > > > If Theosophy should be examined by the same superficial method -
> > > it wouldn't look good.
> > > >
> > > > Madame Blavatsky can be compared here:
> > > > http://en2.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madame_Blavatsky
> > > >
> > > > I think you have gotten the culturally colored picture by now.
> > > >
> > > One thing I notice among religious believers as well as political
> > > partisans, but never cease to be amazed by it. Somehow, people
> > > imagine that calling a book or article or author "culturally
> > > colored" or "biased" etc. refutes their facts and interpretations
> > > thereof. But there are no books, authors, or articles which are
> > > *not* culturally colored, biased, etc. So it would serve just as
> > > well as a one-size-fits-all refutation if we were to say "this was
> > > written by a human being."
> > >
> > > It would be interesting to see a correction of any of the facts
> > > about Shah presented in the article. No matter how biased the
> > > source and how culturally colored, the facts remain and it would 
> be
> > > preferable (to me at least) to see the facts corrected and 
> explained
> > > rather than see the source smeared without any evidence.
> > >
> > > (Lest you assume otherwise, I actually like many of Shah's books.)
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > >
> > > Paul
> > >
> > > Paul
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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