Theos-Talk Archives (January 2004 Message tt00039)

Hi Dears
Very interesting these theories, these experiences.
Whenever I heard about magnetism I used link with magnetic fields, magneticforces, irons being atracted etc..and as soon as I read Mesmer articles everything changes.
Man little know about magnetism and gravity influences, although in his fiction films and books he seems to prevail, control the gravity creating , this way, vehicles who have even an own gravity source to minimize the effects of inertia in speeds near light´s.
What about the origins of gravity which I can´t still find a proper answer?
There must be something ocult in the mulaprakriti properties.
I hushed to see the movie " The Core" one year ago which showed men going straight into the earth nucleus...and in the " making of" of this movie I could see that inspite of the researches, men littlke know of the core in theglobe.

Best wishes and peace

Krishtar


----- Original Message ----- 
From: christinaleestemaker 
To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2004 6:59 PM
Subject: Theos-World Re: Four Aspects of the Universe


Here is a copy of this fifth force, it is a gravity and not an 
antigravity force.


Subtle Magnetism - A Fifth Force?
Experiments and Theories
Buryl Payne
PsychoPhysics Labs
Capitola, California 

A number of experiments have been done which show that another force 
besides classical electromagnetism exists, especially around living 
organisms. Although the individual experiments seem anomalous and 
fragmented, partially because of different terminology, they do form 
a coherent whole and substantiate the existence of a fifth force 
related to magnetism, but different from it. 
Animal Magnetism was the name given it by Anton Mesmer centuries ago. 
He knew it was something different from the magnetism connected with 
lodestones. He also thought there was something akin to animal 
magnetism around the Sun and planets which affected humans and 
plants. Called 'chi', 'prana', 'vital force' and a variety of other 
names in other languages, it has tantilized researchers for years, 
challenging them to detect and measure it. People have looked for 
this subtle force with tools used for detecting the known electric or 
magnetic forces; this has been misleading; an attempt to put it into 
the classical framwork when it seems different. Small classical 
forces have been detected, but the subtle magnetic force is perhaps a 
million times larger and is easily detected with a simple device.
One of the earliest published articles on subtle magnetism appeared 
in the English medical journal, Lancet, in 1922. Dr. C. Ross, a 
physician in England, described an instrument which reacted to the 
proximity of a body or was set in motion by vision. 
In 1977 Walter Pescka in Germany presented a paper at a symposium 
describing a force he found present around the body which couldn't be 
explained by classical physics. He used a torsion balance and called 
it a kinetobaric effect.
In the late 70's the writer found that a simple frame hung by a 
thread about eye level over a person's head would rotate a few 
degrees. Initially the frames had magnets on them and it was noticed 
the magnitude of the force was larger when more magnets were used. It 
was also observed that the frames rotated more during geomagnetic 
storms, more for children than adults, and more for a healthy person 
than one who is ill. In general, healers induced more motion on the 
hanging frames. Small hanging frames in glass bottles were also 
constructed which showed this effect and demonstrated that it was not 
due to air currents from drafts or heat. My observations showed a 
spin force to be present around plants as well as humans.
Various models of this device, called 'the biofield meter' were put 
on the market in the 80's; demonstrations were made at several 
scientific meetings or conferences, two local newspapers gave it 
nearly a full page coverage and two TV stations showed the device 
demonstrated in action.
In the 80's a Hungarian physicist, George Egely, discovered that a 
light 'wheel' mounted on a low friction pin bearing, would rotate 
when people put their hands around it. He markets this device as the 
Egley wheel.
In the 80's, a Danish scientist, Dr. Bjoorn Vlistigk, reported he had 
discovered a 'human energy spin field' surrounding all living 
persons. He built a huge pyramid structure, geared it's rotation up, 
and obtained useful energy from the spin force, according to the 
account published in a newspaper. 
In 2001, Ron Hruby, a retired NASA engineer, made a simple frame 
detector and found that when a small group ten miles distant, 
concentrated on healing a subject sitting under the frame, changes in 
the amplitude of rotation occurred 18 times out of 18 trials, or 100% 
correlation!
Some Russian scientists also discovered the presence of spin forces 
which did not fit in with the current notions of electromagnetism. 
They call these forces, 'torsion fields. There are over 70 
references, mostly in Russian. One experiment indicates a propagation 
velocity of torsion fields as being very much faster than light. 
There is even a torsion field generator that can be purchased from a 
Russian company. 

TOWARDS A THEORY OF SUBTLE MAGNETISM
Given these, and other experimental observations, not mentioned in 
this brief article what can be said towards formulating a sensible 
theory?
First let's unmask the words.
The term 'magnetism' was introduced into the language centuries ago. 
Now, in the 21st century, more sensitive instruments, and many other 
discoveries, suggest more descriptive terminology. When some 
electrons in iron atoms align their spin axes, the phenomena we call 
magnetism becomes manifest. It is always there, but not observable by 
our everyday devices such as a compass, magnetometer, or a rotating 
coil.
The direction of the force from a magnet continuously changes at 
different places around a magnet. The force does not change, only the 
DIRECTION changes, although technically, the term 'force' as used in 
physics, includes direction as well as amplitude. This change in 
direction will cause a tiny magnet, or electron or other charged 
particle, if near a much larger one, to first twist on its axis to 
align with the larger one and, if moving, to spin or spiral around 
the larger one. Free electrons, moving nearby a number of spin-
organized electrons (a big magnet or electric coil) will be diverted 
off course, or even caused to move in an orbit or spiral around. It's 
as if the organized spins of electrons on their axes, act at a 
distance to bring nearby electrons into a macro spin or orbit around 
the magnet.
Physicists made up the term magnetic field to simplify their 
calculations, but this is a further abstraction from the 
term "force", a handy word to cover ignorance. A more descriptive 
term for magnetism might be organized electron spins. 
The direction of the force of a magnet is into the surface at one end 
and out of it at the other. These two directions are called north or 
south magnetic polarity. The force directions elsewhere around a 
piece of 'magnetized' iron are not named. 
Now what about subtle magnetism? In my experiments I have observed a 
rotational force around the body for any kind of frame made of 
plastic, metal or wood that is hung over the body. Lightweight 
objects free to move (dangling by a string) near the body also will 
rotate or attempt to do so, if the string is long enough. One 
astronaut is reported to have said that when he was outside the space 
craft small objects rotated around him.
Therefore subtle magnetism may be another type of spin, perhaps more 
general than electron magnetism. Does it diminish with distance in 
the same manner as iron magnetism? Apparently not; it may follow a 
different mathematical rule than the inverse square formula. And it 
also may travel faster, as some Russian experiments seem to indicate. 
The existence of a force which travels faster than light will require 
a revision of Einstein's theories, and a rethinking of some of the 
experiments based on quantum theory, now interpreted as showing non-
locality effects, or instantaneous action-at-a-distance. Perhaps 
subtle magnetism could be equivalant to spin around protons, atoms, 
or molecules. Tesla spoke about a higher octave of magnetism and 
stated that magnetism was present around all matter. 
Subtle magnetism may be another name for a spin force around protons, 
atoms, or molecules. In the human body and other living organisms, 
atoms and molecules are organized to a high degree. This may appear 
as a spin force around the body as a whole. Usually the spin force 
moves objects clockwise as seen from the top of the head looking 
down. Near the new or full moon and at times of geomagnetic storms 
the direction reverses. 
Does the planet as a whole have a spin force? Does this resonate with 
the spin force or subtle magnetism of people? Observations with 
hanging frames tend to support that inference, but more experimental 
work needs to be done.
Does the Sun possess a subtle magnetic field? Probably, Anton Mesmer 
thought so. Subtle magnetism may also be another term for a vortex. 
Vortex theories were popular in physics over 100 years ago.
It may be that a vortex pattern comes first, and a living entity is 
guided by it. When one is ill, the organization is disrupted. 
Ordinary magnetic forces seem to help a person reorganize cells and 
tissues that have lost their naturally healthy or proper form. This 
too, suggests a connection between ordinary iron magnetism and subtle 
magnetism. Hands on treatment, directed intention, or sometimes 
merely the nearby presence of another person who is in good health 
helps an ill person regain the healthy organization they formerly 
had. This may be a result of direct transfer of information or force 
from the subtle magnetic force of one person to another. 
When subtle magnetism is called a spin force, it is immediately 
noticed that every particle from electrons to galaxies spins. Spin is 
a universal property of matter, perhaps larger in amplitude in living 
organisms.

Spin, taken as a fifth force, is a complement to gravity (not 
antigravity), is connected with electric forces, and with living 
matter. 
The forces of physics including spin, but not including the two 
nuclear forces, could be organized as follows:

FORCE LEVEL OF OPERATION EFFECTS
   
FORCE LEVEL OF OPERATION EFFECTS
Gravitic Operates between all matter. Pulls matter together
Magnetic Only manifests between charged particles.
Pushes or pulls at right angles to the direction of motion. 
Only sensed by other charged particles.Causes charged particles to 
move in circles, spirals,or helixes.
Spin Present around all bodies. Much larger around living 
organisms. Causes all bodies to spin around one another. 
Counteracts gravity. Produces complex formsor structures.



For more detailed descriptions, clear enough to build a subtle 
magnetic detector out of sticks and a few magnets, see the chapter 
III in THE BODY MAGNETIC, by Buryl Payne. Or look at the spin section 
on the web at buryl.com.

















--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "alden_parent" <alden_parent@y...> 
wrote:
> --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "alden_parent" 
<alden_parent@y...> 
> wrote:
> > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Eldon B Tucker" <eldon@t...> 
> > wrote:
> > > One other comment on this note based on an article in DISCOVER 
> > MAGAZINE. 
> > ********************
> > 
> > Christina & Eldon,
> > 
> > Thank you both for your input and references.
> > I knew of a Vortex concept but not to this extent.It
> > was more on how planets rotate within a vortex in
> > space. A Vortex Theorem such as this would be in line
> > with a " Riemann Surface" concept of a vortex. That is;
> > it would spiral and have a line of symmetry as represented
> > by the non-trivial zeros in the Riemann zeta function; and
> > also as seen in the distribution of "prime" numbers in
> > the Prime Number Pattern. I would like to see the math
> > proof on this theory!
> > 
> > On the matter of " dark matter" also called
> > ( funny energy ). I was under the impression that they
> > did not know what it was comprised of; hence named "funny
> > energy". Of course I may not be up to date on these matters.
> > 
> The idea of anti-gravity sounds unreal however!
> It is generally believed that gravity pulls us downward;
> but what if gravity is a force that is actually gently
> pushing, and not pulling. This is a possibility and is
> a way of understanding why gravity is difficult to
> reconcile with " electro magnetism", the "weak & strong"
> forces, etc. Anti-gravity would have to be like outer
> space and require no counter-force. How does one do that?
>         
> >               
>                  
> > Again thanks,
> > 
> > Alden
> >               
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > 
> >        
> > > It doesn't mention dark and light energy, just dark energy and 
> > three kinds
> > > of matter (non-luminous ordinary, luminous ordinary, and dark). 
> > There's one
> > > type of energy and three of matter, with energy accounting for 
> > about three
> > > times as much of what exists (.73 is about 3 times .27).
> > > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Eldon B Tucker [mailto:eldon@t...] 
> > > Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 3:30 PM
> > > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: Theos-World Four Aspects of the Universe
> > > 
> > > Alden:
> > > 
> > > There's an article in the December 2003 DISCOVER MAGAZINE that 
> > talks about
> > > your question. On page 45, it says, "Here are the results of 
the 
> > latest
> > > cosmic census detailing what is really out there." I believe 
> > that "dark
> > > matter" and "anti-matter" would be the same thing, like in 
> ordinary 
> > matter
> > > there's an electron (with a negative charge) that corresponds 
to 
> a 
> > positron
> > > (with a positive charge) in dark matter.
> > > 
> > > With both ordinary and dark matter and ordinary and dark 
energy, 
> > we'd have
> > > four ingredients to things. From the DISCOVER article, we read:
> > > 
> > > 73 PERCENT DARK ENERGY
> > > 
> > > "Measurement of the expansion of the universe show it is 
> > accelerating,
> > > apparently driven by a mysterious repulsion. ... the repulsion 
> > could be
> > > caused by energy latent in space itself."
> > > 
> > > 23 PERCERT DARK MATTER
> > > 
> > > "Observations of the way galaxies move and rotate show that 
they 
> > seem to be
> > > surrounded by a vast amount of unseen matter. ... most of this 
> > matter cannot
> > > consist of ordinary atoms."
> > > 
> > > 4 PERCENT NONLUMINOUS ORDINARY MATTER
> > > 
> > > "The Big Bang models, along with the studies of primordial 
> > microwaves,
> > > predict how many conventional atoms should be out there -- and 
> the 
> > result is
> > > much more that can be accounted for by stars alone. Some dark 
> > objects have
> > > been directly observed or indirectly detected by the way they 
> > deflect light
> > > or interact gravitationally with visible stars."
> > > 
> > > 0.4 PERCENT LUMINOUS MATTER
> > > 
> > > "These are the stars, nebulas, and galaxies we see ... The 
> density 
> > of
> > > luminous matter is so small that it falls within the rounding 
> > errors of dark
> > > matter and dark energy, which is why the numbers add up to more 
> > that 100
> > > percent."
> > > 
> > > -- Eldon
> > > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: alden_parent [mailto:alden_parent@y...] 
> > > Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 12:24 PM
> > > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: Theos-World Three Elements of Universe
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Hello everyone,
> > > 
> > > We know that "matter" and "anti-matter"
> > > along with a third "dark matter" (funny energy) 
> > > are in the universes. I would say that the dark
> > > matter perhaps had an effect on the other two not
> > > cancelling each other out after the " Big Bang".
> > > I would also think that dark matter is perhaps
> > > also the origin of the spiritual/metaphysical
> > > in those universes, assuming it was already in
> > > existence: Or is it too as a result of the "Bang"?
> > > 
> > > What do you think anyone? (Leon) ? Scientist!
> > > 
> > > Alden
> > > 
> > > 
> > >  
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