Theos-Talk Archives (December 2003 Message tt00366)

Dallas,

Yes, the causative planes cannot be literally pictured or schemed by drawings 
or mental concepts limited to the effective physical planes. 

However, such images can be symbolically or figuratively interpreted so as to 
comprehend anlogously and intuitively the interplay and correlation of 
positive and negative forces between all the planes and within each adjacent field 
of consciousness. 

This true intuitive comprehension is made possible because their basic field 
forms (while in different hidden hyperspace dimensions, that are coadunate but 
not consubstantial, yet still relatively "physical" or material) are always 
spherical, and their fractal involution obeys the fundamental laws of cycles... 
While their forces -- being electrical in nature (although at different 
levels or phases of frequency-energy, with their fundamental constants, such as 
time, quantum size, velocity of light or electromagnetic motion, etc., being also 
different) -- obey all the harmonic and energetic laws of "electricity" and 
"light"... These laws being limited and differing -- within their separate but 
interconnected and coenergetic locations in enfolded hyperspace realms -- 
only by their relative "physical" constants. 

(Note: Here, "physical" refers to all forces in all hyperspace fields of 
consciousness that are in definite linear, rather than in abstract nonlinear 
motion (such as the fundamental "spinergy" of the zero-point). Theosophically, 
this applies to all coenergetic fields of consciousness from the seven fold 
highest order fields of Mahatma, to the seven fold lower order fields of the Cosmic 
body, and analogously, to the seven fold fields of each being within it.) 

Thus we see that all the fundamental laws of nature apply at the different 
levels of both causative and effective space -- although their "physical" 
constants change. That is why we can say, "as above, so below." (Referring to the 
symbolic universal involution diagrams;** Each field of conscjousness above or 
without is "causitive" with respect to the "effective" fields below or 
within.) 

Therefore, even the simplest drawings or mental images that indicate such 
spherocity as well as energy flows and correlatiuons, can indicate to us 
intuitively how the forces and fields interelate with each other, and allow us to 
abstractly imagine how the holographic images in adjascent fields reverse as well 
as how the inductive resonance between fields allows the transferring of 
holographic information from field to field. 

Of course this comprehension if the correlation of forces, can only be done 
by each of subjectively through our higher intuitive mind that looks directly 
on ideas, since the multidimensional fields of the seven fold nature of 
ourselves and the universe, cannot be seen or examined in our rational mind -- except 
symbolically or metaphorically. 

It's also obvious that, since time and space are both subject to change as 
they continuously expand and contract while fractally involving and 
existentially evolving, and that there is a continuous friction between all their 
adjascent moving parts (knots or folds of mass-energies continuously evolving in 
space, bumping into and interfering with each other) -- nothing can be permanent or 
have eternal existance in any field of consciousness. Thus the, tiny cycles 
of spiritual to physical photons, through immense cycles of Manvantaras, to 
immeasurable Cosmic lives. 

Hope this makes things a bit clearer.

Best wishes,

LHM

In a message dated 12/13/03 8:51:58 PM, dalval14@earthlink.net writes:

>Many thanks Lenny;
>
>Will refer to and see.
>
>Off hand I would say the causative planes (within and determinative of
>the physical) cannot be entirely pictured or schemed.
>
>We have a problem not knowing with our "lower manasic" and "physical
>brain" mind how to depict the inner astral/psychic/mental/ spiritual
>planes and forces.
>
>One think is made clear and that nature never repeats exactly. All is
>done by similarity and analogy. E.g.:. the SUN drags the planetary
>system across new areas of SPACE all the time -- analogetic, yet
>constantly changing ( S D I 141-143). Physical states and properties
>are not eternal.
>
>What do you say?
>
>Dal
>
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>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: leon
>Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 10:00 PM
>To: 
>Subject: [bn-study] Re: Thanks to all
>
>Dear Dallas,
>
>Here's another reference that may be of interest.
>http://mathworld.wolfram.com/GoldenTriangle.html
>
>If we follow the links we can learn everything there is to know 
>mathematically and geometrically about The Decagon, Golden Ratio, 
>Golden Rectangle, Isosceles Triangle, Pentagram, plus lots of other 
>symbolic shapes, forms, and number series that have relationships to 
>the spherical and linear geometry based on the fundamental 
>hyperspace fields as they involve fractally from the primal 
>beginning. 
>
>Also see: Fibonacci Numbers and Golden sections in Nature
>http://www.mcs.surrey.ac.uk/Personal/R.Knott/Fibonacci/fib.html 
>
>Referring to: http://users.aol.com/leonmaurer/Invlutionfldmirror2.gif 
>
>In the diagrams therein of the involution of the coenergetic fields -- which 
>are symbolically pictured in cross section, as circles -- the planes 
>(horizontal lines drawn through the zero-point centers of the descending
>spheres) follow a regular geometric fractal series (2, 1, 1/2, 1/4, etc.). 
>
>In actuality, since each field varies in frequency-energy-density from top 
to 
>bottom, the spheres would be egg shaped. Thus, breaking the geometric
>
>symmetry of the cyclically repeating hyperspheres (and stretching their
>inscribed 
>squares into, possibly, golden rectangles). This transformation would,
>
>apparently, move their centers, and the planes drawn through them, into
>a Fibonacci series -- which may account for its appearance throughout
>all of nature on our physical plane of reality. It may also account for
>all the variable laws, 
>probabilities and indeterminacies of quantum physics which cosmologists
>see as occurring after initial "inflation" and the so called "breaking of
>symmetry" when the "big bang" (they postulate) occurred. 
>
>There's much to be pondered on here. 
>
>To take a twist on Einstein, it may be that God is playing with loaded
>dice. :-)
>
>Best wishes,
>
>Lenny
>
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>In a message dated 12/10/03 10:37:58 AM, dalval14@earthlink.net writes:
>
>Dec 10th 2003
>
>Dear Lenny:
>
>Many thanks for the explanation. Understood.
>
>In regard to mathematics and geometrical ratios in nature, I have been
>reading a remarkable book:
>
>
> THE GOLDEN RATIO by Mario Livio 
>
> (Broadway Books, Random House N. Y.)
>
>[Mario Livio Ph. D. is head of the Science Division of the space
>Telescope Institute. Previous book: THE ACCELERATING UNIVERSE (2000).]
>
>He gives us a history of the GOLDEN RATIO in mathematics, music, art,
>nature and science.
>
>It is PHI ( 8/5) = 1.6180339887........
>
>Other "irrational numbers / ratios" are noted and discussed by him such
>as: PI = 3.1.4159..... (Circumference to diameter ratio of a circle)
>
>"Disordered systems" mathematics (D. Viswanath, Berkeley U.) discovered
>in studying randomness a mathematical constant = 1.13198824.....
>
>Besides that we have the series noted by Fibonacci in a number sequence
>
> = 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 13, 21, 34, 55, 89, 144...
>
>It is perhaps significant that these inexpressible ratios are found in
>Nature and they may indicate a key to understanding the difference
>between say the various planes that THEOSOPHY speaks of. (i.e.: the
>relationship of physical to astral, to psychic, to mental, to ideal
>planes -- to mention but 5. )
>
>What do you think?
>
>Dallas
>
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