Theos-Talk Archives (December 2003 Message tt00287)

Hallo Dallas and all of you,

My views are:

I do not have the reference with me. It is a letter from Morya.
It has been referred to at Theos-Talk before. So it is nothing new.

The Masters didn't ask her to lie. You twist my words.
They asked her only (according to Morya) to do so when it was necessary so
to avoid any damage to the spiritual truth.



The following might help:

The following from Mahatma Letter no. 66
may give some light on what really happened when Blavatsky died.

"I do not say we should have preferred her had a more tractable agent been
available, but still, so far as yourselves are concerned it has been an
advantage, yet you have alienated her for a long time if not for ever and
thereby thrown tremendous difficulties in my way. Remember what I said to
you some two years ago "were H.P.B. to die before we found a substitute,"
the powers through which we work in our communications with the outside
world may permit the transmission of two or three letters more, then it
would die out and you would have no more letters from me. Well -- she is
virtually dead; and it is yourself -- pardon me this one more truth -- who
have killed the rude but faithful agent, one moreover who was really devoted
to you personally. Let us drop the subject if it is distasteful to you. I
have done my best to stop the evil but I have neither jurisdiction or
control over her,"...
http://www.theosociety.org/pasadena/mahatma/ml-66.htm

The Masters didn't find a substitute - even if someone claimed to be such an
agent or the substitute-agent didn't sprout into a usefull vehicle.
All this because of certain moral issues involved.





from
M. Sufilight with peace and love...




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dallas TenBroeck" <dalval14@earthlink.net>
To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 5:05 AM
Subject: RE: Theos-World H.P. Blavatsky Warns about Charlatanesque
Imitations of Occultism and Theosophy


Dec 17 2003

Dear Friend:

Have you any reference in which the Masters write they asked HPB to lie?

I don't recall any.

Dallas

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-----Original Message-----
From: Morten Nymann Olesen [mailto:global-theosophy@adslhome.dk]
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 12:09 PM
To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: Theos-World H.P. Blavatsky Warns about Charlatanesque
Imitations of Occultism and Theosophy

Hallo Bart and all of you,

My views are:

1.
Blavatsky was by Morya and others recommended to lie if necessary.
To reveal too much to the unprepared wouldn't be good.

2.
If you were an initiate and a chela of no low rank do you then think it
possible,
that you would recommend to the country which were in the dearest need
for
spiritual development - a position - a la being the promotors of the 6th
rootrace
- if that was a fitting remark to the many coming intellectual-Atlantis
conquerer incarnations
in that country, so that many of them would have the oppourtunity to
steer
clear of
national expansions - psychism - spiritism and the like - so that they
at
least would familiarize
themselves with compassion and altruism ???
Let us not forget USA before Martin Luther King Jr. and before Blavatsky
!
I think several european countries have done better than USA through
decades.
And then again we can agree on - that USA has a way of getting hold of
the
most - toys
and material goods on this planet. If that makes them more "spiritual"
or
"superior" or turns them into the 6th rootrace - I think you the readers
will have to
answer yourselves.

The USA prosperity comes today to a high degree from egotism
and are based on the trade policies on slavery only a few decades back !
That is untíl Martin Luther King Jr. came around !
Do you disagree on that as well ???

3. Socialism and Capitalism are only good at the right time at the
right place with the right people, who is on the right level
of evolution.
It is just like food - you only eat it when it is healthy.
When it is too old or rotten - you don't.
A transition always takes time.

My view is: A non-religious socialism will never get really important in
this human evolution cycle we withness on the planet Earth.
The present activities in and around the United Nations makes this
highly
unlikely.
Even spiritual activities, where some of them calls themselves
theosophical
in nature.



from
M. Sufilight with peace and love...

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bart Lidofsky" <bartl@sprynet.com>
To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 1:03 AM
Subject: Re: Theos-World H.P. Blavatsky Warns about Charlatanesque
Imitations of Occultism and Theosophy


> Morten Nymann Olesen wrote:
>
> >Yes. But you are from the (energi-sucking empire) United States.
> >So it is quite normal for you the make such an email.
> >
> >
> Blavatsky had a reason for believing that the 6th Root Race would
> come from the United States. Remember, prosperity and power comes from
> freedom. As long as people hand their individual karmas over to their
> governments, they will not evolve. The problem is that those who
believe
> in the ultimate sovereignty of the state over the people cannot stand
> the fact of the success of the United States, because that proves
their
> beloved socialist theories to be so much bullshit.
>
> Bart
>
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