Theos-Talk Archives (December 2003 Message tt00262)

Roberto must be someone on another list.
I doubt that Roberto will be helped by these quotations.

But, on the other hand, I have never considered Chelas to be mediums
either, or vice versa.

Some of these quotations are as absurd as any I have ever seen.

I suggest that if Roberto or any one else should have any curiosity at
all, they look up some local spiritualistic churches, and go to some
services, and observe and judge for themselves.

You will find most of them very boring, but you will find few if any
maniacs, thieves, ravishers, murderers, or cut-throats.

In my opinion, HPB was out of touch with reality when she was writing
these paragraphs. I don't think these things were true even when she
was alive.

I think she was (and is) mistaken.

Dennis

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ARE CHELAS "MEDIUMS"? Article by H. P. Blavatsky
H P B Articles I p. 295

1. a human being, and the medium will then be his obedient
servant and may be used by him for good or for bad purposes. This
other
"being" may be

3. an elementary or an elemental, and the poor medium become
a epileptic, a maniac or a criminal. [ He may become a prey to
Elementaries or Elementals, even without knowing the meaning of these
words, and he may consequently become a thief, a murderer, a ravisher,
a
drunkard or a cut-throat, and it has often enough been proved that
crimes frequently become epidemic; or again he may by certain
invisible
influences be made to accomplish acts which are not at all consistent
with his character such as previously known. He may be a great liar
and
for once by some unseen influence be induced to speak the truth; he
may
be ordinarily very much afraid and yet on some great occasion and on
the
spur of the moment commit an act of heroism; he may be a street-robber
and vagabond and suddenly do an act of generosity, etc. ] This "other
being" may

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dallas TenBroeck" <dalval14@earthlink.net>
To: <study@blavatsky.net>
Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 9:44 AM
Subject: Theos-World RE: [bn-study] Re: Mediums & Mediumship


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> Articles: ARE CHELAS "MEDIUMS"? Article by H. P. Blavatsky
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> H P B Articles I p. 295
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> CHELAS by H. P. Blavatsky, H P B Articles I 299.
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> CAN THE MAHATMAS BE SELFISH? by H. P. Blavatsky
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> ARE CHELAS "MEDIUMS"? Article by H. P. Blavatsky
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> P. 295 The spirits of "the deceased" cannot and
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> P. 295 It would be extremely difficult to find on
> earth a human being, who could not be more or less influenced by the
> "Animal Magnetism" or by the active Will (which sends out that
> "Magnetism") of another.only he, who is no medium at all and
therefore
> insensible to epidemic or endemic moral influences, will make an
> exception, [and] assert his independence...
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> P. 296 There is no man, except [one] whose
emotions
> and consequently whose actions cannot be influenced in some way or
> other, and thereby the action of another be manifested or
transmitted
> through him. All men and all women and children are therefore
Mediums,
> and a person who is not a Medium is a monster, an abortion of
nature;
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> P. 296 "A medium is a person through whom the
action
> of another being is said to be manifested and transmitted to an
abnormal
> extent by the consciously or unconsciously active will of that other
> being." .it will be just as difficult to determine who is a medium
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> who is not a medium, as it is to say where sanity ends and where
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> P. 296 Every man has his little "weaknesses,"
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> every man has his little "mediumship"; that is to say, some
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> P. 296 .only such persons shall be considered
> mediums, who allow other beings to influence them.to such an extent
that
> they lose their self-control and have no more power or will of their
own
> to regulate their own actions.such a relinquishing of self-control
may
> be either active or passive, conscious or unconscious, voluntary or
> involuntary, and differs according to the nature of the beings, who
> exercise the said active influence over the medium.
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> submit his will to another being and become his slave. This other
being
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> 1. a human being, and the medium will then be his
obedient
> servant and may be used by him for good or for bad purposes. This
other
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> 2. an idea, such as love, greediness, hate, jealousy,
> avarice, or some other passion, and the effect on the medium will be
> proportionate to the strength of the idea and the amount of
self-control
> left in the medium. This "other being" may be
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> 3. an elementary or an elemental, and the poor medium
become
> a epileptic, a maniac or a criminal. [ He may become a prey to
> Elementaries or Elementals, even without knowing the meaning of
these
> words, and he may consequently become a thief, a murderer, a
ravisher, a
> drunkard or a cut-throat, and it has often enough been proved that
> crimes frequently become epidemic; or again he may by certain
invisible
> influences be made to accomplish acts which are not at all
consistent
> with his character such as previously known. He may be a great liar
and
> for once by some unseen influence be induced to speak the truth; he
may
> be ordinarily very much afraid and yet on some great occasion and on
the
> spur of the moment commit an act of heroism; he may be a
street-robber
> and vagabond and suddenly do an act of generosity, etc. ] This
"other
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put
> into rapport with another ray of the collective universal spiritual
> principle, and the "medium" will then be a great genius, a writer, a
> poet, an artist, a musician, an inventor, and so on. [ He may be
> under the influence of his own seventh principle [ATMA] and imagine
to
> be in communication with a personal Jesus Christ, or a saint. ]
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the
> conscious and voluntary medium will then be called their "Chela."
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> 298 .whether a Chela, who consciously and willingly lends for a
time
> his mental faculties to a superior being, whom he knows, and in
whose
> purity of motives, honesty of purpose, intelligence, wisdom and
power he
> has full confidence, can be considered a "Medium" in the vulgar
> acceptation of the term, is a question which had better be left to
the
> reader--after a due consideration of the above--to decide for
himself. ]
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> P. 297 .a medium may know the sources from which
the
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transmitted
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> P. 298 .the exercise of mediumship consists in
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> .complete giving up of self-control.whether this exercise is good or
> bad, depends entirely on the use that is made of it and the purpose
for
> which it is done. This.depends on the degree of knowledge which the
> mediumistic person possesses, in regard to the nature of the being
to
> whose care he either voluntarily or involuntarily relinquishes for a
> time the guardianship of his physical or intellectual powers.
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> P. 298 A person who entrusts indiscriminately
those
> faculties to the influence of every unknown power, is undoubtedly a
> "crank," and [can be] considered.insane.they are usually known by
their
> idiotic stare and by the fanaticism with which they cling to their
> ignorance. Such people ought to be pitied instead of blamed, and if
it
> were possible, they should be enlightened in regard to the danger
which
> they incur
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