Theos-Talk Archives (December 2003 Message tt00252)

Hallo all of you

My views are:

We can all of us understand why some readers would like to read these -
numbers
in an exoterical dead-letter manner !

Especially if it fits their own agenda or even selfesteem.


These numbers are a smokescreen so to keep the uninitiated away from
trouble.
True ?

There is no religion higher than TRUTH.

There is always God.
God is omnipresent - everywhere at all times - that is past, present and
future.
God has never left any of us.
As it is written in the much hated book named the Quran: Allah is closer to
you than your jugular vein !!!

So why those silly remarks about the Avatar being gone or being awaited
thousands of years into the future ???

Blavatsky who agrees on the Bhagavad Gita - must also follow the view, that
the Avatar incarnates whenever
Rightousness disappears on this Planet...
And perhaps some theosophists are deluded into thinking that everything is
allright with this Planet in this hour if reading.
But they will find themselves in error when they think we will continue
supporting their "business as usual" ideologies !

Interestingly Sai Baba has said that the Kali Yuga last 12.000 years.
(exoterically ?)
And that we are now just about 3702 + 2003= 5705 years since the death of
Krishna.

This is not in accordance with theosophical teaching so far the dead- letter
teaching goes.
But if the number 3702 is 3102 then it all fits. And then we probalbly talk
about a "spiritual spelling-error" (?) in the litterature.

Some says that Arjuna was behind the building of some of the greater
pyramids in Egypt.
Another source Idries Shah has said (1956) that the Kheops Pyramid was
completed year 3733 bc.

So who holds the torch - dead-letter theosophists and superficial
clairvoyants ?
Or is it those who has prooven by their spiritual fruits - that they know ?

What I find interesting is the appearnt agreement between figures like Sai
Baba, Idries Shah, and S. Sitchin (even if his writings shouldn't be taken
litterally in the manner as many has done.)

I think Sai Baba has said that Buddha lived as precise a 567-487 bc.

Maybe others have other versions on numbers and figures.
So be it.


(I forgot in my previous email to mention that Khidr is also know as The
Green Guide or Green Alien).


Now - the ball is rolling...


from
M. Sufilight with peace and love...



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dallas TenBroeck" <dalval14@earthlink.net>
To: "AA-BN--Study" <study@blavatsky.net>
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 11:41 AM
Subject: Theos-World RE: Thanks to all


Dec 16 2003



Dear Friend:



These maybe of help. Extracts are from THEOSOPHY literature



1

The "Kalki Avatar" is not due for several hundreds of thousands of
years.



2

The age of the present Kali Yuga (began 3102 B C) is 432,000 years. We
have 427,000 till it comes to an end.



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"Maitreya Buddha (Sk.). The same as the Kalki Avatar of Vishnu (the
"White Horse" Avatar), and of Sosiosh and other Messiahs. The only
difference lies in the dates of their appearances. Thus, while Vishnu is
expected to appear on his white horse at the end of the present Kali
Yuga age "for the final destruction of the wicked, the renovation of
creation and the restoration of purity", Maitreya is expected earlier.

Exoteric or popular teaching making slight variations on the esoteric
doctrine states
that Sakyamuni (Gautama Buddha) visited him in Tushita (a celestial
abode) and commissioned him to issue thence on earth as his successor at
the expiration of five thousand years after his (Buddha's) death. This
would be in less than 3,000 years hence.

Esoteric philosophy teaches that the next Buddha will appear during the
seventh (sub) race of this Round.

The fact is that Maitreya was a follower of Buddha, a well-known Arhat,
though not his direct disciple, and that he was the founder of an
esoteric philosophical school. As shown by Eitel (Sanskrit-Chinese
Dict.), "statues were erected in his honour as early as B.C. 350".
Glos 202



"The Secret Doctrine teaches that "He who is the first to appear at
Renovation will be the last to come before Re-absorption (pralaya)."
Thus the logoi of all nations, from the Vedic Visvakarma of the
Mysteries down to the Saviour of the present civilised nations, are the
"Word" who was "in the beginning" (or the reawakening of the energising
powers of Nature) with the One ABSOLUTE. Born of Fire and Water, before
these became distinct elements, IT was the "Maker" (fashioner or
modeller) of all things; "without him was not anything made that was
made"; "in whom was life, and the life was the light of men"; and who
finally may be called, as he ever has been, the Alpha and the Omega of
manifested Nature. "The great Dragon of Wisdom is born of Fire and
Water, and into Fire and Water will all be re-absorbed with him"
(Fa-Hwa-King). As this Bodhisatva is said "to assume any form he
pleases" from the beginning of a Manvantara to its end, though his
special birthday (memorial day) is celebrated according to the
Kin-kwang-ming-King ("Luminous Sutra of Golden Light") in the second
month on the nineteenth day, and that of "Maitreya Buddha" in the first
month on the first day, yet the two are one. He will appear as Maitreya
Buddha, the last of the Avatars and Buddhas, in the seventh Race. This
belief and expectation are universal throughout the East. Only it is not
in the Kali yug, our present terrifically materialistic age of Darkness,
the "Black Age," that a new Saviour of Humanity can ever appear."
S D I 470





"The most sacred of all is the letter M. It is both feminine and
masculine, or androgyne, and is made to symbolize WATER, the great deep,
in its origin. It is mystic in all the languages, Eastern and Western,
and stands as a glyph for the waves, thus: . In the Aryan Esotericism,
as in the Semitic, this letter has always stood for the waters; e.g., in
Sanskrit MAKARA-the tenth sign of the Zodiac-means a crocodile, or
rather an aquatic monster associated always with water. The letter MA is
equivalent to and corresponds with number 5-composed of a binary, the
symbol of the two sexes separated, and of the ternary, symbol of the
third life, the progeny of the binary. This, again, is often symbolised
by a Pentagon, the latter being a sacred sign, a divine Monogram.
MAITREYA is the secret name of the Fifth Buddha, and the Kalki Avatar of
the Brahmins-the last MESSIAH who will come at the culmination of the
Great Cycle." S D I 384





"Kalki Avatar (Sk.). The "White Horse Avatar", which will be the last
manvantaric incarnation of Vishnu, according to the Brahmins; of
Maitreya Buddha, agreeably to Northern Buddhists; of Sosiosh, the last
hero and Saviour of the Zoroastrians, as claimed by Parsis ; and of the
"Faithful and True" on the white Horse (Rev. xix., 2 ). In his future
epiphany or tenth avatar, the heavens will open and Vishnu will appear
"seated on a milk-white steed, with a drawn sword blazing like a comet,
for the final destruction of the wicked, the renovation of 'creation'
and the 'restoration of purity'". (Compare Revelation.) This will take
place at the end of the Kaliyuga 427,000 years hence. The latter end of
every Yuga is called "the destruction of the world", as then the earth
changes each time its outward form, submerging one set of continents and
upheaving another set." Glos 170



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Kaliyuga (Sk.). The fourth, the black or iron age, our present period,
the duration of which us 432,000 years. The last of the ages into which
the evolutionary period of man is divided by a series of such ages. It
began 3,102 years B.C. at the moment of Krishna's death, and the first
cycle of 5,000 years will end between the years 1897 and 1898.
Glos 170



See also S D I 661-669 for dates of Kali Yuga epoch.





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Best wishes,



Dallas









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-----Original Message-----
From: roberto.paula
Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 10:17 AM
To: study@blavatsky.net
Subject: [bn-study] Re:[bn-study] Re: Thanks to all



Isn't Maitreya the Buddha of the 5th Race? I think so. As to the Kali
Yuga, we're at the end of it, right?

Roberto






De:

"arturo carvajal"


Para:

study@blavatsky.net




Cópia:




Data:

Mon, 15 Dec 2003 02:34:07 +0000




Assunto:

[bn-study] Re: Thanks to all






> thanks Peter and the others in this List for willing to answer some

> questions, and here goes the first...

> where are we in the Kali Yug period? at the end of it?

> also...are we at the end of the 5 Root Race? and Gautama been the
Buddha of

> the 4 Root Race, who is the Buddha of the 5th ???

> Arturo

>

>

> >From: "peter.m"

> >Reply-To: study@blavatsky.net

> >To: study@blavatsky.net

> >Subject: [bn-study] Re: Thanks to all

> >Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 00:17:01 -0000

> >

> >Dear Arturo,

> >

> > >>>That is fine, Peter, but could be the Secret Doctrine be that

> >complicated

> >

> >and the Truth so obscured?? <<<

> >

> >I guess I would use the term 'complex' rather than complicated. When
we

> >look around the world of nature at just the physical plane we see and

> >encounter a great deal of complexity, do we not. Is it not reasonable
to

> >assume that the subtler planes of manifestation are also complex and
not as

> >straight forward as we would like.

> >

> > >>> certain Truths might stay secret, because in the 'wrong' hands
'evil'

> >be the result, but just tell me in plain english how the Universe and

> >worlds were 'created', the creation of man and his soul, avoiding
obscure

> >words in Sanskrit or Sensar.<<<

> >

> >After a period of study have you ever tried yourself to put your own

> >understanding into plain English? It might be that if you could start
by

> >sharing with us what you already understand the Secret Doctrine to be


> >saying

> >then we could better explore together some of your questions.

> >

> >It seems to me that one of the important propositions of the Secret

> >Doctrine

> >is that the universe, the worlds, man and his soul were not
"created", as

> >such. Just this very proposition in the SD is worth much thought and

> >reflection. But why not start your inquiry looking at the "Summing
Up"

> >section in the SD in volume one pages 269 onwards, in particular the

> >numbered points between pages 272 and 282. These are very helpful to
any

> >one preparing to study the SD.

> >

> >We start with the notion that there is "the one homogenous divine
SUBSTANCE

> >PRINICPLE." This is the root of all. In the sense that this principle
is

> >beyond finite grasp, it is called beginning-less and endless Space.
In the

> >sense that it is the root substance of all manifestation, whether
subtle or

> >gross it is called the ONE SUBSTANCE, one end of which we call spirit
the

> >other matter.

> >

> >The universe is not created, least of all created by any kind of GOD
as

> >known in the exoteric religions. "The universe is the periodical

> >manifestation of this unknown Absolute Essence" (273) All the complex

> >doctrines about hierarchy of spiritual intelligences and the builders

> >(Dhyani Buddhas and Dhyani Chohans) are attempts to convey to our
finite

> >minds that which is beyond and before such finite minds came into
being.

> >So

> >it is presented in such a way to awaken our intuition where we might

> >'understand' and know at the level. However the general principle is
that

> >this great intelligences, hosts, under the impulse of divine law help
in

> >the

> >progressive stages of emanation of the one substance out of itself,
each

> >stage becoming 'denser' and more material. Hence the saying that "the

> >Universe is worked and guided from within outwards. . . . The whole
Kosmos

> >is guided, oontrolled, and animated by an almost endless series of

> >Hierarchies of sentient Beings, each having a mission to perform and
who

> >are... messengers in the sense only that they are agents of Karmic
Laws.

> >

> >Arturo, the above is a start in plain language. Those pages go on
offering

> >many insights into the complex doctrines outlined in the stanzas. If
you

> >want to have a look through and ask a specific question on anything
you

> >find

> >there, I am sure people on this list will do what they can to help

> >understand it better. We are all students trying to understand.

> >

> >best wishes,

> >

> >Peter

> >

> >





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