Theos-Talk Archives (December 2003 Message tt00239)

Hi Lenny,

I want you to know that if you lead the way and invite all theosophical scientists,
from all organizations, and from none, to come together in order to create a separate
web site to post all things theosophically-scientific, such as a lot of the scientific
content that is found in many of your letters, for starters, and as a wise team begin
to skillfully dialogue with scientists throughout the world, I will put a link to it in
the science section of my WisdomWorld.org additional articles index page that is found
in this link:
http://www.wisdomworld.org/additional/index.html#4

...and I'm pretty sure that all other theosophical web sites would also provide a link
to the new site that the team that comes together creates. Hopefully many people from
the various theosophical organizations will respond to this suggestion in order to give
their opinions and ideas and to encourage you and offer you help in getting this new
much needed theosophical activity under way.

I volunteer to pay for all the fees related to starting and maintaining this new web
site, month to month and year to year.

John DeSantis
(Compiler)
http://www.wisdomworld.org/
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leonmaurer@aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 12/07/03 2:12:07 PM, global-theosophy@adslhome.dk writes:
>
> >b) Quoteing --- The Secret Doctrine vol1. page xxxviii INTRODUCTORY.:
> >"...The same may be said of the whole Esoteric system. One turn of the key,
> >and no more, was given in "Isis." Much more is explained in these volumes.
> >In those days the writer hardly knew the language in which the work was
> >written, and the disclosure of many things, freely spoken about now, was
> >forbidden. In Century the Twentieth some disciple more informed, and far
> >better fitted, may be sent by the Masters of Wisdom to give final and
> >irrefutable proofs that there exists a Science called Gupta-Vidya; and that,
> >like the once-mysterious sources of the Nile, the source of all religions
> >and philosophies now known to the world has been for many ages forgotten
> >and lost to men, but is at last found..."
> >http://www.theosociety.org/pasadena/sd/sd1-0-in.htm (or try ULT's online
> >edition).
> >
> >Who has since 1975 taught Gupta-Vidya on a high and compassionate level ?
>
> Dear Sufi,
>
> Perhaps you should read more carefully what HPB said about the Masters of
> Wisdom "sending some disciple more informed, and far better fitted to give FINAL
> AND IRREFUTABLE PROOFS that there exists a SCIENCE called Gupta-Vidya."
>
> That statement does NOT say sending more of the Gupta-Vidya -- which has
> already been given out on the highest and compassionate level since time
> immemorial, and can never be added to or subtracted from.
>
> A PROOF of the science of Gupta-Vidya is not the same as changing or adding
> to the Theosophical teachings -- but is simply a verification of them.
>
> "Irrefutable proof," means exactly what it says. And such a proof, which, as
> HPB pointed out, means a demonstration that the SCIENCE of GUPTA-VIDYA
> --already completely given out as thoroughly as it could be in the Secret Doctrine,
> as well as in all the references to all the ancient scriptures within it -- is
> the final TRUTH of the way the Universe really is and actually works.
>
> So, who is it that must bring such a proof?
>
> Why, a knowledgeable scientist (who may also be a theosophist) of course.
>
> Who else can devise a new scientific concept of reality that synthesizes all
> the modern sciences of today into a "Grand Unified Field Theory of Everything"
> (including consciousness and mind) -- that completely confirms the
> theosophical metaphysics of Cosmogenesis and Anthropogenesis? Wouldn't that, in its
> final analysis, be the complete Science of Gupta-Vidya, as stated unequivocally
> in the Book of the Golden Precepts -- which includes both the Book of Dzyan and
> the Voice of the Silence? And, what more could anyone add to that totality?
>
> Isn't it obvious that, once such a new scientific paradigm merging and
> synthesizing all the modern sciences of relativity, quantum physics, biology,
> psychology, evolution, anthropology, physiology, chemistry, etc., and linking them
> to the epistemology and ontology of mind and consciousness, can be proven
> beyond a shadow of a doubt -- and such a new paradigm becomes accepted as the true b
> asis of reality by all scientific disciplines -- it will also be accepted by
> all of mankind?... And, with it, all the truths of reincarnation and karma,
> as well as all the moral and ethical precepts they imply -- compassion included?
>
> Therefore, isn't it also quite obvious that the "teaching" of theosophy and
> the "proof" of theosophical science are two different things, although
> interrelated? And, that the "New Messenger" and the "New Message" has nothing to do
> with adding to or changing the Science of Gupta-Vidya itself?
>
> All that will be accomplished by such a Messenger and Message, is to finalize
> the Three Objects of the Theosophical Movement -- of which the Science of
> Gupta-Vidya is simply the rock upon which they stand.
>
> Any additions brought to us with respect to the fundamental teachings
> themselves, would simply be applicable to that understanding of the means whereby
> each individual can attain enlightenment and self-realization -- "so as to be
> better able to help and teach others" -- which each of us must find for ourselves
> through "our own individual self devised and self determined efforts"... The
> final answers for which can only come through direct contact with one's
> Master within (with or without guidance from both living and dead Masters or
> Adepts). "Self-realization" belongs to each of us, as indivdual "nuclii" of
> universal brotherhood -- and not to our groups, the world, or Mankind and its
> evolution -- which is what the Theosophical Movement is concerned with. (Although,
> if we all were self-realized, the world would also be.)
>
> As an added thought, perhaps the Messenger who came in 1975 was one of the
> known or unknown scientists who first suggested multidimensional "string theory"
> that could soon lead to the final experiment that proves the universe is and
> works exactly the way it was explained in the Secret Doctrine.
>
> Incidentally, the final step that marries consciousness and mind to the
> physical multidimensional hyperspace theory of Superstrings and M-branes (today's
> contender as the final Theory of Everything) was first conceived by me in 1975
> as the "theory of ABC" (based on the teachings I received from a now deceased
> nuclear physicist, Dr. Philip Sebastian Percheron, who was, besides a
> theosophist, an ordained Lama of the Nyingmapa, a nephew of Gurdjieff, a personal
> friend of the late Panchen Lama, and the designer of the trigger mechanism on the
> Hiroshima A-bomb).
>
> Could "Doc Perch" be the New Messenger HPB was talking about? Could his
> "message" to and through me, be his final restitution for the karma he created
> back in 1945? And, am I, as well as those theosophists and scientists who read
> my stuff and might act on it, just one of the many "agents" or "companions"
> that the Masters would have to place around any such Messenger -- who, like HPB,
> couldn't expect to be here when such a message would be fulfilled?
>
> I'll leave it to you (along with the rest of us) to mull over all this and
> decide whether or not you agree that we have been talking, all along, about two
> different things. That is, the Theosophical Teachings vs. the Theosophical
> Movement -- which like consciousness and matter are ever to be separated, but
> always dependent on each other -- as above, so below.
>
> With that, I will continue to do my work toward helping prove the Science of
> Gupta-Vidya -- with the hope that you (and others of like mind) will continue
> to do your best in reinterpreting and "spread broadcasting" the teachings in
> "the language of this age" so that it may be understandable to all those of
> differing ethnic and cultural backgrounds as well as karma. Some of them, could
> be among those who assist in helping prove the Science of Gupta-Vidya, as well
> as carry on the further development of the Theosophical Movement toward
> achieving the final Universal Brotherhood of all Humanity -- long after both you
> and I have left this short scene in the vast history of the TM.
>
> Thank you for your input and questions -- that allowed me to further clarify
> these matters.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> LHM
>
>
>
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