Theos-Talk Archives (December 2003 Message tt00234)

Dec 13 2003

Dear Dennis:

I think we might be looking at the same "coin" but from opposite sides.
Let me try to show you what I see. My approach has been from the point
of view of a student of Science (as an editor) plus a long time study
of Theosophy, so I feel I am somewhat familiar with both systems. I try
to maintain an unbiassed view of both in comparing them.

As I see it: 

The current physical scientific view of nature includes many theories
and hypotheses. So if one has to be very accurate then the exact one
has to be precised. Further, the process goes on to compare and fit, if
possible, other theories to it.

Theosophy offers a single view. You will find it in the SECRET DOCTRINE

In fact Theosophy offers only a single answer to any question or search.

It claims to be many millennia old and to be continually checked tested
and verified by a group of Wise men to whom time means nothing. [ see S
D I 272-3]

It is quite different from physical science because it asks for and
deals with the CAUSES of physical nature.

For example (although there are hypotheses) what is it that establishes
the nature and properties of atoms? How are indeterminacy and
randomness to be explained or determined?  

Are we sure that the properties of atoms are identical here on our
little Earth and identical a few billion miles away ? Is there a proven
uniformity in matter here and there or anywhere else?  

The spectrograph tends to assure us of this, but then that may be only a
translation of vibratory phenomena into our environmental terms -- or am
I wrong?

"Dark matter" has been noticed, but not explained.

Among many theories relating to cosmology and matter as we know it on
Earth are "relativity," "quantum," "spinergy," 'zero points," "Cosmic
singularities," "symmetry," "causality," "co-energetic fields," "the Big
Bang,", etc., etc...

Add to this mass of still indeterminate areas of research the source and
origins of "consciousness," and "intelligence."

As I see it there is no question of time involved in this work.

Best wishes,

Dallas

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-----Original Message-----
From: Dennis K
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 6:18 PM
To: Dallas 
Subject: Theosophy and TIME Physical Phenomena at a Seance (3 of 3)


It doesn't seem to do much good does it?

A wave of the wand, and all attempts at discussion are waved away, and
we are back in 1891, where all the wisdom from the Masters that there
ever was or will be is fixed forever on paper. The World is fixed, and
any discussion is forever held to 1875 to 1896 (if we like Mr. Judge).
Nothing new can ever enter our field of vision. We must mull over the
writings of The Messenger, but can never admit to any new
observations.

Wasn't it the head of the Patent Department, who, in the late 1800s,
recommended that we abolish the Patent Department, since all things
that could be invented had already been invented?

But, somewhere along the line, someone invented a Computer Mail Merge
system that you seem to have taken to a new high of development.

Even if you are a world class typist, I don't think you could enter
all these long page after page of the Quotes Of The True Messenger, in
the time to answer all this mail. Some of these long messages are
really interesting, that is if you don't expect to read anything that
is relevant to modern day affairs.

What do we get if you enter "DNA", "RADAR", "Virus or is that Virii",
or "Hypnotism" into the Mail Merge index?

I think that you are mistaken when you suggest that all the
mediumistic phenomena is taken care of by HPB's writings.

>From my observations and analysis, these phenomena are innate
qualities of the human body, and deserve to be studied. Dismissing
them as activities of "spirits" seems to be conjecture to me. I am not
sure you need spirits to work them, and you are right that HPB did
some things without the need for spirits, which prove, to me, that
they are attributes of the human body, and should be studied for
themselves, not as something connected with Spiritualism.

Wasn't it Swedenbourg, who was observed sitting in a chair, and
levitating up, and floating out a window of a multi storied building,
and around to another open window to be deposited safely on the floor
again?

That should not be regarded as Spiritualistic phenomena, and therefore
banned from scientific study, but as some ability of some human
bodies. I don't see that anything is gained by attributing these
things to Spirits. I think these things should be studied. Maybe we
can find a way to duplicate them with electronic instruments, if we
can find what they are, and how they are accomplished.

I don't think that that study will be aided very much by referring to
the writings of HPB of 1891. Waving a wand will not make the phenomena
go away, and searching her writings will not bring us any nearer to
understanding and duplicating these processes.

You must have a fantastic library of quotes, and a wonderful way of
indexing them, and assembling them to make some logical stream of
them. I suppose you have a full hard disk by now. Don't we wish HPB
had had a modern word processor for her writing? Olcott describes the
writings cut apart, and pasted together numerous times to get the
writings in a correct order, and then the Doctor and his brothers
having the entire lot typed, and then that was cut apart and pasted
together in another order.

What she wouldn't have given for your system!

I give up.

Dennis