Theos-Talk Archives (December 2003 Message tt00232)

--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "alden_parent" <alden_parent@y...> 
wrote:
> --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, leonmaurer@a... wrote:
> > Dear Dallas,
> > 
> > Here's another reference that may be of interest.
> > http://mathworld.wolfram.com/GoldenTriangle.html
> > 
> > If we follow the links we can learn everything there is to know 
> > mathematically and geometrically about The Decagon, Golden Ratio, 
> Golden Rectangle, 
> > Isosceles Triangle, Pentagram, plus lots of other symbolic 
shapes, 
> forms, and number 
> > series that have relationships to the spherical and linear 
geometry 
> based on 
> > the fundamental hyperspace fields as they involve fractally from 
> the primal 
> > beginning. 
> > 
> > Also see: Fibonacci Numbers and Golden sections in Nature
> > http://www.mcs.surrey.ac.uk/Personal/R.Knott/Fibonacci/fib.html 
> > 
> > Referring to: 
> http://users.aol.com/leonmaurer/Invlutionfldmirror2.gif 
> > 
> > In the diagrams therein of the involution of the coenergetic 
> fields -- which 
> > are symbolically pictured in cross section, as circles -- the 
> planes 
> > (horizontal lines drawn through the zero-point centers of the 
> descending spheres) 
> > follow a regular geometric fractal series (2, 1, 1/2, 1/4, 
etc.). 
> > 
> > In actuality, since each field varies in frequency-energy-density 
> from top to 
> > bottom, the spheres would be egg shaped. Thus, breaking the 
> geometric 
> > symmetry of the cyclically repeating hyperspheres (and stretching 
> their inscribed 
> > squares into, possibly, golden rectangles). This transformation 
> would, 
> > apparently, move their centers, and the planes drawn through 
them, 
> into a Fibonacci 
> > series -- which may account for its appearance throughout all of 
> nature on our 
> > physical plane of reality. It may also account for all the 
> variable laws, 
> > probabilities and indeterminacies of quantum physics which 
> cosmologists see as 
> > occurring after initial "inflation" and the so called "breaking 
of 
> symmetry" 
> > when the "big bang" (they postulate) occurred. 
> > 
> > There's much to be pondered on here. 
> > 
> > To take a twist on Einstein, it may be that God is playing with 
> loaded dice. 
> > :-)
> > 
> > Best wishes,
> > 
> > Lenny
> > 
> > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> > 
> > In a message dated 12/10/03 10:37:58 AM, dalval14@e... writes:
> > 
> > Dec 10th 2003
> > 
> > Dear Lenny:
> > 
> > Many thanks for the explanation. Understood.
> > 
> > In regard to mathematics and geometrical ratios in nature, I have 
> been
> > reading a remarkable book:
> > 
> > 
> > THE GOLDEN RATIO by Mario Livio 
> > 
> > (Broadway Books, Random House N. Y.)
> > 
> > [Mario Livio Ph. D. is head of the Science Division of the space
> > Telescope Institute. Previous book: THE ACCELERATING UNIVERSE 
> (2000).]
> > 
> > He gives us a history of the GOLDEN RATIO in mathematics, music, 
> art,
> > nature and science.
> > 
> > It is PHI ( 8/5) = 1.6180339887........
> > 
> > Other "irrational numbers / ratios" are noted and discussed by 
him 
> such
> > as:
> > 
> > PI = 3.1.4159..... (Circumference to diameter ratio of a 
circle)
> > 
> > "Disordered systems" mathematics (D. Viswanath, Berkeley U.) 
> discovered
> > in studying randomness a mathematical constant = 1.13198824.....
> > 
> > Besides that we have the series noted by Fibonacci in a number 
> sequence 
> > = 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 13, 21, 34, 55, 89,
> > 144.........
> > 
> > It is perhaps significant that these inexpressible ratios are 
found 
> in
> > Nature and they may indicate a key to understanding the difference
> > between say the various planes that THEOSOPHY speaks of. (i.e.: 
the
> > relationship of physical to astral, to psychic, to mental, to 
ideal
> > planes -- to mention but 5. )
> > 
> > What do you think?
> > 
> > Dallas
> > 
> > =========================
> > 
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: LeonMaurer@a... [mailto:LeonMaurer@a...] 
> > Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 1:15 AM
> > To: study@b...
> > Subject: [bn-study] Re: Thanks to all
> > 
> > I'm sure Dallas can come up with a quote by HPB or WQJ that 
> explains all
> > this in relatively simple terms. 
> > 
> > But, the following is one more or less 
> > scientific (geometric or topological) way to understand the 
> similarities
> > and differences between the four fold and sevenfold systems:
> > 
> > The division of the "coenergetic" and "coadunate but not 
> consubstantial"
> > fields of consciousness, or "principles" that comprise all living 
> beings 
> > (from the 
> > universe on down, and fully expressed in Man) can be considered 
as 
> One 
> > manifest, relatively insubstantial or spiritual outer 
> principleencompassing 
> > three progressively more substantial dual inner principles. 
> > 
> > Since all manifest fields of energy are polar and must have both 
a 
> positive 
> > and a negative (attractive and repulsive) aspect to support their 
> inflation 
> > from within, as well as maintain their continued harmonious 
> balance --
> > no spherical field can exist in manifest space without two 
> spherical inner
> > fields between its outer circumference and the zero-point of 
> origination at 
> > its
> > center. These (today, called "hyperspace") fields, are each of a 
> different
> > degree of substantiality related to their descending 
> frequency/energy 
> > orders (or phase changes).
> > 
> > Thus, the configuration of the first manifest 3-fold (or 3 cycle) 
> field 
> > complex emanating from any zero-point-instant "singularity" is 
what
> > constitutes the triune "Monad." 
> > 
> > Upon Cosmic manifestation, the initial Cosmic Monad continues to 
> involve
> > or divide in a progressive dual or fractal manner, to form eight 
> fields
> > (four dual fields) or seven Chakra centers in each successive 
> octaval 
> > involutional stage.
> > 
> > Therefore, each of the three inner principles or fields of 
> consciousness
> > of the four fold system must be dual in nature, totaling (after 
the 
> third 
> > involutional stage when the inner six field centers are added to 
the
> > surrounding and all containing "spiritual" field center) seven 
> Chakras
> > or field centers. 
> > 
> > Thus, depending on one's point of view, the entire system can be 
> seen as
> > either four fold or sevenfold. This corresponds to the "four 
> worlds" of the 
> > Buddhist-Hindu systemss, and the "seven fold (or seven Chakra 
> centers)
> > nature of Man" in both the Eastern philosophical systems and the
> > theosophical system. 
> > 
> > Picture this (like bubbles within bubbles within bubbles, etc.) 
as 
> a single 
> > sphere within which are two spheres, and within each of which are 
> two 
> > additional spheres, etc. 
> > 
> > This "fractal" involution of monadic fields continues 
analogously, 
> ad 
> > infinitum, down to the smallest particle of physical nature, as 
the
> > Cosmos continues to evolve and spread its zero-point centers of 
> origin
> > throughout all of manifest space. This accounts for the ancient 
> adages 
> > that "The center of the universe is everywhere and it 
> circumference, 
> > nowhere" and, "As above, so below."
> > 
> > This arrangement, representing the progressive 3, 1, 4, 1, 5 or 
> twice 7
> > fold nature of universal involution during the initial stages of
> > manifestation (See: Book of Dzyan, Stanza IV), can be easily 
> visualized 
> > by studying and meditating on the symbolic cross sectional 
diagrams 
> while 
> > following the spiraling and vortical flow of continuously 
> circulating energy 
> > emanating from any zero-point "Laya center." See:
> > 
> 
http://users.aol.com/uniwldarts/uniworld.artisans.guild/chakrafield.ht
> ml
> > 
> > Other field arrangements (possibly occurring at different levels 
of 
> logoic 
> > involution's) -- which also conform to the harmonic laws of 
cycles, 
> and
> > its derivative laws of fundamental symmetry and conservation of 
> energy --
> > are symbolically shown at: 
> > http://users.aol.com/leonmaurer/invlutionflddiagnotate.gif
> > http://users.aol.com/leonmaurer/Invlutionfldmirror2.gif
> > 
> > Incidentally, the above diagrams may also be useful in 
visualizing 
> and
> > better understanding the evolution of the "globes" and 
> their "rounds" and
> > "races." (But, do not take these diagrams literally, since they 
are 
> limited to
> > only two dimensions and do not represent the fields within fields 
> within
> > fields of our multidimensional hyperspace universe.) 
> > 
> > I hope this helps,
> > 
> > LHM
> > 
> > In a message dated 12/08/03 12:36:00 PM, shridharlukka@h...
> > writes:
> > 
> > >Can anyone please explain what is the difference between 
sevenfold
> > >classification and four fold classification. In simple words 
> please.
> > >I am extreamly happy to meet persons who know about T.Subbarao.
> > >Thanks once again.
> > >
> > >Sridhar
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> **************************************************************
> 
> 
> 
> Lenny,
> 
> The indeterminacy of which you allude to, could
> be and would relate to the "seven" undefined but known
> mathematical expressions. They are or should be
> quaquaversal in nature; like the Big Bang. That is, it
> has six points of direction @360 degrees and one center!
> 
> Alden

Wait a minute! Six points @ 360 degrees and one center!!?
Yes; could be possible in eleven dimensions. Where the last
four have the ability to permeate, pervade and perdure all
else. With the last dimension in control of all other ten.


Alden