Re: Theos-World RE: SD teaches -- How do you learn how to learn ?
Dec 12, 2003 01:21 AM
by leonmaurer
In a message dated 12/09/03 5:01:42 PM, bartl@sprynet.com writes:
>cesar joanino wrote:
>> I just want to ask what we in theosophy..would explain the seven spirits
>> of God..also what is the esoteric meaning of no 7..Thank you
>
> Seven is an arbitrary number, into which many continuities are divided
>in order to make them easier to understand. It was given special
>significance because of 7 "planets" observable from the Earth by humans
>without use of instrumentation, given a geocentric point of view.
>Because humans think so highly of themselves, they confused what they
>could observe with what was, and therefore made 7 a significant number.
Of course, this "exoteric" and opinionated baloney (which may also be a
sardonic bit of leg pulling :-) doesn't answer the serious questions asked, nor
does it say much (if the answer is serious) for the writer's knowledge of
theosophy or philosophy, or even science for that matter.
For starters, the number seven is the fundamental basis of all harmonic
cycles which constitute the fundamental laws of Cosmogenesis that is fully
explained in the Book of Dzyan (The basis of the Secret Doctrine). You might also
refer to my recent letters to bn-study (which I repeat below) with reference to
the involution of the spherical or globular energy fields that emanate out of
the primal, noumenal or absolute zero-point singularity (which some might call
God) prior to the evolution of the phenomenal Universe.
Note that the laws of harmony, reflected in the theory of music, also show
seven as a fundamental number -- pertaining to the "nodes" of the octaval
cycles, or "notes." This is directly related to the fundamental laws of cycles and
periodicity which is the governing basis of both involution and evolution, as
fully explained in the second (2nd) fundamental principle of theosophy --
without which, all the rest of the theosophical metaphysics would make no sense
whatsoever. (And, in fact, neither would the theories of relativity, quantum
[QM, QED, QCD, QFT, QG, etc.] Superstrings, or M-branes of modern science.)
LHM
---------Recent correspondence related to the "esoteric" number seven-------
Thank you Steve for your comments.
If we examine the involutional "chakrafield" symbolic (spherical cross
section) diagram closely, we will see that the "seven fold nature" relates to the
Chakras, "nodes," or zero-point centers -- rather than the fields themselves,
that have to progress in octaves... With the first field of any octave being of
the same nature or "tone" as the last field, but of a higher or "doubled
frequency phase." So, there are actually only seven notes in the diatonic scale
that this fractal involution emulates. This also corresponds to the Pythagorean
theory of harmonics which relates to the musical scales and, analogously, to
the "Music of the Spheres." In another sense, the surrounding field of any
primal series of hyperspace involution's is not actually an inner principle
since it constitutes the root nature in which manifest things exist. Therefore,
as WQJ pointed out there are only six active principles -- since, the spirit
actually stands outside them, as their more or less eternal container, so to
speak.
Incidentally, there are several ways to symbolically picture this involution.
As we progress down the fractal chain of involution's, we can assume that
both inner fields in any monad divide into further twin fields, or that only the
lower field in any monadic series in each octave forms inner fields.
Speculatively, this might be because the upper inner field linked directly to the
outer (spiritual) field, does not divide -- since, as the reflection of spirit in
its highest frequency phase, it cannot be added to or subtracted from and,
therefore, simply encloses the "void" (in which other, even higher order
"multiverses" might exist). HPB clearly spoke of this.
Unfortunately, our finite minds get lost when trying to visualize and
describe in words such infinitely complex (yet harmonically ordered and fractally
repeating) multidimensional hyperspace-time globular fields within fields within
fields, etc., or from another point of view, fields surrounding fields
surrounding fields, etc. All this "nonlinear" and "nonlocal" reality can only be
ideally grasped intuitively through our "inner vision."
Bringing it down to the linear and localized level of rational thought forces
us to try to "materialize" it or turn it into geometric or mathematical
symbols or equations ... That are, of course, only metaphors or analagies that have
no direct relationship to the actual transcendent reality. However, when in
the deepest meditation, one's mind becomes concentrated or "one pointed," and
the Universal involution of the single ray emanating from the zero-point can
be seen and examined from the inside out, rather than from the outside in --
these hyperspace globes of differing energy fields, and their surface
interference wave patterns or holographic forms can be experienced directly.
Incidentally, there are several suggested "seed" meditations on the web "chakrafield"
page that might help along these lines.
Best wishes,
LHM
In a message dated 12/09/03 12:51:07 PM, stevenlevey@bellsouth.net writes:
Leon-On the whole I found your work interesting and in fact invigorating.
A couple of observations, however.
Your basis of fractile circles existing as magnetically bi-polar is
genuinely interesting, and although they would seem to be "lawful" in
their nature, still their combining into eight side steps the key number
of seven as the foundation for all manifestation. (even though you include
the 4 and the 7 in your perspective on human nature)From this point of
view, the groups of three are synthesized into the seventh. The Seventh,
then, is at once the source and the result of the existance of the groups
of binary threes.
The seven as being a 'foundation" is also in all of those systems you
mention as such, so I am not being arbitray in this. Only the Pythagorean
system, seems different because of its decade, but even that has three
groups as 4,3,2 and their synthesis in the 1 which, in all is 10. Actually
this is more relevent psychologically as the seven and ten Paramitas in
Buddism as HPB puts it in "The Voice of the Silence".
Just some ideas-Steve
>
> From: LeonMaurer@aol.com
> Date: 2003/12/09 Tue AM 04:15:16 EST
> To: study@blavatsky.net
> Subject: [bn-study] Re: Thanks to all
>
> I'm sure Dallas can come up with a quote by HPB or WQJ that explains all
this
> in relatively simple terms. But, the following is one more or less
> scientific (geometric or topological) way to understand the similarities
and
> differences between the four fold and sevenfold systems:
>
> The division of the "coenergetic" and "coadunate but not consubstantial"
> fields of consciousness, or "principles" that comprise all living beings
(from
> the universe on down, and fully expressed in Man) can be considered as One
> manifest, relatively insubstantial or spiritual outer principle
encompassing
> three progressively more substantial dual inner principles.
>
> Since all manifest fields of energy are polar and must have both a positive
> and a negative (attractive and repulsive) aspect to support their inflation
> from within, as well as maintain their continued harmonious balance -- no
> spherical field can exist in manifest space without two spherical inner
fields
> between its outer circumference and the zero-point of origination at its
> center.
>
> These (today, called "hyperspace") fields, are each of a different degree
of
> substantiality related to their descending frequency/energy orders (or
phase
> changes).
>
> Thus, the configuration of the first manifest 3-fold (or 3 cycle) field
> complex emanating from any zero-point-instant "singularity" is what
> constitutes the triune "Monad."
>
> Upon Cosmic manifestation, the initial Cosmic Monad continues to involve or
> divide in a progressive dual or fractal manner, to form eight fields (four
dual
> fields) or seven Chakra centers in each successive octaval involutional
stage.
>
> Therefore, each of the three inner principles or fields of consciousness of
> the four fold system must be dual in nature, totaling (after the third
> involutional stage when the inner six field centers are added to the
surrounding
> and all containing "spiritual" field center) seven Chakras or field
centers.
>
> Thus, depending on one's point of view, the entire system can be seen as
> either four fold or sevenfold. This corresponds to the "four worlds" of
the
> Buddhist-Hindu systems, and the "seven fold (or seven Chakra centers)
> nature of Man" in both the Eastern philosophical systems and the
> theosophical system.
>
> Picture this (like bubbles within bubbles within bubbles, etc.) as a single
> sphere within which are two spheres, and within each of which are two
> additional spheres, etc.
>
> This "fractal" involution of monadic fields continues analogously, ad
> infinitum, down to the smallest particle of physical nature, as the Cosmos
> continues to evolve and spread its zero-point centers of origin throughout
all
> of manifest space. This accounts for the ancient adages that "The center
of
> the universe is everywhere and it circumference, nowhere" and, "As above,
> so below."
>
> This arrangement, representing the progressive 3, 1, 4, 1, 5 or twice 7
fold
> nature of universal involution during the initial stages of manifestation
> (See: Book of Dzyan, Stanza IV), can be easily visualized by studying and
> meditating on the symbolic cross sectional diagrams while following the
> spiraling and vortical flow of continuously circulating energy emanating
> from any zero-point "Laya center." See:
> http://users.aol.com/uniwldarts/uniworld.artisans.guild/chakrafield.html
>
> Other field arrangements (possibly occurring at different levels of logoic
> involution's) -- which also conform to the harmonic laws of cycles, and its
> derivative laws of fundamental symmetry and conservation of energy -- are
> symbolically shown at:
>
> http://users.aol.com/leonmaurer/invlutionflddiagnotate.gif
> http://users.aol.com/leonmaurer/Invlutionfldmirror2.gif
>
> Incidentally, the above diagrams may also be useful in visualizing and
better
> understanding the evolution of the "globes" and their "rounds" and "races."
>
> (But, do not take these diagrams literally, since they are limited to only
> two dimensions and do not represent the fields within fields within fields
of
> our multidimensional hyperspace universe.)
>
> I hope this helps,
>
> LHM
>
> In a message dated 12/08/03 12:36:00 PM, shridharlukka@hotmail.com writes:
>
> >Can anyone please explain what is the difference between sevenfold
> >classification and four fold classification. In simple words please.
> >I am extreamly happy to meet persons who know about T.Subbarao.
> >Thanks once again.
> >
> >Sridhar
>
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