Theos-Talk Archives (December 2003 Message tt00031)

In a message dated 12/03/03 7:18:09 AM, dalval14@earthlink.net writes:

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>From: Dennis Kier [mailto:dennw3k@earthlink.net] 
>Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 5:51 PM
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>Subject: RE:: Physical Phenomena at a Seance (3 of 3)
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>Yes, Theosophy of 100 years ago is a good base. However, we are making
>many discoveries in science, and psychology, and other fields that HPB
>wasn't aware of, and expanding our knowledge of how things work.

Yes, HPB had no knowledge of the empirical (material) science that, today, 
still hasn't answered any of the real "hard" questions -- such as the true 
relationship between consciousness, mind, and matter -- that the ancient 
philosophers answered thoroughly long before the SD was written. 

In fact, while modern physics has made great strides in understanding the 
mechanics of the outer physical world, they haven't the faintest idea about the 
true nature of the inner world. 

Sure, the understanding of "how (physical) things work" has given us lots of 
mechanical tools and entertaining toys to play with, and drugs to keep us 
alive and soothe our psyched out minds -- but what has any of that that done for 
helping us live our lives more fully and understand ourselves better? 

No matter how far science has progressed, they still haven't found any of the 
answers that theosophy has given us to achieve self realization -- which is 
far more important than feeding our physical wants and personal pleasures, or 
controlling our lives solely for the sake of money, power and greed. 


>We have tools now to investigate that were not around even 20 years
>ago. We should use them. Science and the world didn't stop the moment
>HPB stopped writing.

Yes, but if you dig deep enough into the metaphysical teachings in the SD, 
you will find that everything that science has achieved, based on the theories 
of relativity and quantum physics (which were completely presaged by HPB) has 
done nothing to further our inner human development. 

In fact, the theories of relativity, photoelectrically, quanta, and even 
superstrings -- with its multidimensional [3+7] hyperspaces and M-branes 
[coadunate but not consubstantial spherical fields] which almost identically emulates 
the "wheels within wheels" teachings in the SD -- still hasn't caught up with 
the deeper metaphysical teachings in the SD... Although they are getting closer 
and closer. Unfortunately, since they still haven't found out the whys and 
wherefores of consciousness and the root of mind, modern science is still far 
away from achieving their goal of a true "theory of everything." 

But, eventually, when they finally realize that consciousness, along with 
mind (as a separate entity in itself) is the fundamental cause of everything and 
was existent long before our present material universe evolved) -- science 
will reach an understanding of the truths of metaphysics (as clearly outlined in 
the SD) -- that is actually the way the real universe works in its 
interdependent entirety... Not merely the way its particular and superficial physical 
nature works. Which, after all, is only a small part of that true reality... 
That considers consciousness and mind as separate and even more important 
elements of our real nature. And, without which, our present physical world would 
just be a temporary and meaningless glitch in the vast scope of universal 
history. 

What good is knowing how the physical universe works, if we don't know 
ourselves? ... Or, how the conscious macrocosm (of which we are the analogous 
micricosm) involved and evolved in the first place?

So, what does physical science have to do with human evolution? Can their 
present genetic knowledge create a better human being? Can it change the course 
of individual karma? Does it even understand karma? This is not to say that 
the investigation of the physical world isn't important. But, what has that 
got to do with the universal truths that theosophy has already thoroughly 
examined and given us all the tools we need to take care of our individual and 
even (if we look deep enough into its teachings) the evolution of all humanity? 
So, how does science add anything useful toward achieving those aims? Does 
having cell phones, television, and the Internet teach us anything about our 
human nature or the nature of the eternal realities that we all are all destined 
to face, now, and in the future?

>And, evidently, the Masters have not been communicating the secrets of
>the Universe since she died, or even in your case, when Mr. Judge
>died.

Why would they have to -- when the whole story was already known to them and 
outlined for us in the SD? All the rest is just a filling in of the details, 
of which physical science is just a small part of the whole picture. 

Besides, what makes you think the Masters have stopped communicating? Some 
theosophists, I'm sure, have found the "Master within" (as HPB said they would 
if they kept following the path she laid down) and those Masters certainly are 
still communicating with them. 

Those "secrets," I'm also sure, weren't meant to be given out (and couldn't 
be written down, even if we wanted to.) Besides, with respect to my ABC theory 
(which is a sideways look at the true "scientific" reality -- that I got 
directly from the Masters, believe it or not) -- if I showed the proof that would 
make science unequivocally accept that theory, such a proof might end up 
killing them... (Either physically, or by taking away all the "need to know" that 
has served as their motive to keep on living.:-). One nuclear physicist (an 
A-bomb designer and initiated Lama, now deceased) who helped with this theory 
and examined a proposed design of an experiment to prove it, said that the 
design, while technically feasible, could easily turn into what he called a 
"creation bomb." (So, I've destroyed all the plans for such a proof, and am content 
to let the physical scientists bumble their way closer to the ultimate truth 
all by themselves.:-) 

>There is room in the world for new knowledge and more detailed
>knowledge. 

No doubt. And, I'm all for it to keep the scientists alive and busy. But, 
it would be nice if you could tell us what such knowledge of the physical 
details has to do with our own inner development? Isn't that what theosophy is all 
about? 

>Since the Masters are not there to spoon feed us the knowledge of the
>Universe, we should use our tools, and our minds to try to evolve
>further, just as evidently they did.

Yes, that's exactly what theosophy was given to us for. But, its the 
evolution of the soul as an inner process, not an outer one, that they were teaching. 
Its the inner tools and the higher intuitive mind that they were speaking 
to... Not, the physical instruments of our senses or our rational, lower mind. 
Hasn't the whole story of universal knowledge already been thoroughly 
explained in the SD? Why would the Master have to "spoon feed us" any more of it? 

So, what is it that science can do to help us evolve? All I can see is that 
it has done so far, is to give us more misery and grief by making us wage and 
consumer slaves to feed the industries they develop, making us into fat and 
effete couch potatoes, feeding our lower natures with all the tools we need to 
destroy our ecological and biospheric balance, stressing our lives still 
further with all the new degenerate diseases such stress of "economic slavery" 
causes, and gave us more efficient ways to kill each other. Even the food that 
they produce by their "scientific methods" is becoming more and more devoid of 
essential nutrients. And, all that their scientific medicine, with its money 
making pharmaceuticals and boutique surgeries has done, is to turn what should 
be "Health Care" into "Sick Care." Where's the evolution in that? Seems more 
like devolution to me.

When science finally admits that theosophy has the true answer to how the 
universe really works, and their followers who believe in them change their minds 
and give up their materialism and begin searching for their own inner truths 
-- then science will have done us some good.

But, until then, science has nothing to say that is useful toward achieving 
the real evolution of the soul -- which is what theosophy is all about.

>The world didn't end in 1891.

Right, but the fundamental teaching of theosophy was completed then. And, if 
science keeps on going along on its merry materialistic way without accepting 
and incorporating in its findings the knowledge of theosophy that has already 
been given to us in full -- the world might really end sooner than we think. 

Best wishes, 
(for a better science and a better world)

Leon 

>Dennis
>