Theos-Talk Archives (December 2003 Message tt00021)

Hallo Dallas and all of you,

My views are:

Now I say this politely and friendly:

--- No wonder Dallas why some readers call your version of Theosophy back to
antiquity and not "Back to the Future". (smile...) ---

Do you really not understand this ?
I think some of the newcomers does.

from
M. Sufilight with peace and love...

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dallas TenBroeck" <dalval14@earthlink.net>
To: "AA-BN--Study" <study@blavatsky.net>
Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 12:17 PM
Subject: RE: Theos-World RE:: Physical Phenomena at a Seance (3 of 3)


> Dec. 3 2003
>
> Dear Dennis:
>
> Your observations are helpful. Thank you. But I fear you tend to place
> THEOSOPHY in an obsolescent context. I do not think that can be done.
>
> No, the information offered by THEOSOPHY is not time barred, nor are
> the discoveries since then in Science and Psychology discounted.
>
> Our present science is in continuity with older discoveries; and as our
> instrumentation is further refined, we find that those theories evolved
> in the past are themselves refined, adapted and altered. But basically
> the older discoveries and conclusions still stand as an important
> historical basis and cannot be dismissed because of relative age alone.
>
> Both Mme. Blavatsky and Mr. Judge reflected to the scientific world of
> their day the age-old wisdom of THEOSOPHY which deals with and
> integrates moral states along with the physical and theoretical ones.
>
> They offered evidence to show that the moral, psychological, biological
> and biophysical, chemical and physical states had to be considered and
> integrated.
> This has not yet been brought up to date with the evidence that
> THEOSOPHY has offered concerning the astral plane, the psychic world,
> and many planes of intelligence and thought.
>
> One of the basic concepts -- the immortality of the human intellect
> (MIND) -- is still unresolved although advances in research continue to
> reinforce the observations made over 100 years ago by THEOSOPHY .
>
> Additionally the purpose of evolution, the causes thereof, were dealt
> with in detail, I am sure you have read the SECRET DOCTRINE carefully.
> Both Cosmogenesis and anthropogenesis are significant, it seems to me.
>
> You have encountered there the teachings about the indestructible,
> immortal "MONADS. Those provide identity to those immaterial fields of
> intelligent thought force (the psychological concept of "I") that mold
> the "vehicles" of matter used by them, and are the cause of evolution.
> There is an analogetic pattern between the Universe and its well
> integrated plans and patterns, and those of a human being, taken as a
> mind (thought, memory, anticipation, logic, etc.) and a psychic nature
> (desires, emotions, passions, urges, etc.) enclosed in a form of well
> organized animal physical matter.
>
> It is their progress, and its many stages (including our present) that
> THEOSOPHY integrates with the physical sciences and the theoretical
> concepts that have been made prominent since the 1890s.
>
> It can be traced that every great scientist since those days has made
> use of theosophical ideas to bring out their own ideas and proofs of the
> great integrated wholeness of a living universe. Every part of it
> plays a necessary part.
>
> I think it might be helpful if we make up a list of more modern
> discoveries and theories that will show how the two are actually closely
> interrelated. How, for instance, are cosmology and astrophysics related
> to particulate physics and sub-atomic forces? Why is there
> indeterminacy? Does "String theory" answer the causal basis for
> universal manifestation and causality? Does it explain the curiously
> inquisitive nature of human research into his nature and powers?
>
> Has a "theory of Everything" been finally evolved, or are patches still
> left to be settled?
>
> Are physical measurements the sole criteria of significance? What are
> "soul-powers?" What is the Mind? What in us "chooses?" What are the
> areas of choice we can lay out for general consideration? How are they
> inter-related? What about psycho-somatic relationships? How do these
> related to our study?
>
> One thing jumps to mind, and that is: NATURE (the UNIVERSE) was here
> before we were born. It has been around a long time. It seems very
> well organized and in spite of our fragmentary analyses, it continues
> its own patterned work, and, we are included in that. Nature really pays
> little attention to us, but we ought to pay a great deal of attention to
> it.
>
> These questions have puzzled me for over 65 years, and In enjoy
> observing the changes in science that have occurred during that time.
>
> But I would like my friend Leon Maurer who is a scientist, to respond
> to some of your comments as his knowledge will show how THEOSOPHY and
> modern Science, in its advances continue to dovetail.
>
> You may have noticed that the basis for occult science offered by H P B
> as THEOSOPHY does not seem to be fully taken advantage of nor studied
> in depth. It is for this latter reason that it is continued to be
> referred to today.
>
> Physical science limits itself to physical conditions and interactions,
> but their CAUSES appear to be based on some finer relations: just as
> cell studies are based on molecular and chemical partners and
> components. So physical structures are declared by THEOSOPHY to be based
> upon the force-fields present in "astral matter." We see evidence of
> this cropping up almost daily in scientific research.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Dallas
>
> cc. Mr. L. Maurer
>
> ====================================
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dennis Kier [mailto:dennw3k@earthlink.net]
> Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 5:51 PM
> To:
> Subject: RE:: Physical Phenomena at a Seance (3 of 3)
>
> Yes, Theosophy of 100 years ago is a good base. However, we are making
> many discoveries in science, and psychology, and other fields that HPB
> wasn't aware of, and expanding our knowledge of how things work.
>
> We have tools now to investigate that were not around even 20 years
> ago. We should use them. Science and the world didn't stop the moment
> HPB stopped writing.
>
> And, evidently, the Masters have not been communicating the secrets of
> the Universe since she died, or even in your case, when Mr. Judge
> died.
>
> There is room in the world for new knowledge and more detailed
> knowledge.
>
> Since the Masters are not there to spoon feed us the knowledge of the
> Universe, we should use our tools, and our minds to try to evolve
> further, just as evidently they did.
>
> The world didn't end in 1891.
>
> Dennis
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Dallas TenBroeck" <dalval14@earthlink.net>
> To: "AA-BN--Study" <study@blavatsky.net>
> Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 4:08 AM
> Subject: Theos-World RE:: Physical Phenomena at a Seance (3 of 3)
>
>
> > Monday, December 01, 2003
> >
> >
> > Dear Denis:
> >
> > Consider what THEOSOPHY has to offer on this subject. Is has a wide
> and
> > deep coverage.
> >
> > Best washes,
> >
> > Dallas
> >
> > ================================
> >
> >
> >
> > PSYCHIC LAWS, FORCES, AND PHENOMENA
> >
> >
> > WHAT IS THE "PSYCHIC ?"
> >
> > The field of psychic forces, phenomena, and dynamics is a vast one.
> Such
> > phenomena are seen and the forces exhibited every day in all lands,
> but
> > until a few years ago very little attention was given to them by
> > scientific persons, while a great deal of ridicule was heaped upon
> those
> > who related the occurrences or averred belief in the psychic nature.
> A
> > cult sprang up in the United States some years ago calling itself
> quite
> > wrongly "spiritualism," but having a great opportunity it neglected
> it
> > and fell into mere wonder-seeking without the slightest shadow of a
> > philosophy. It has accomplished but little in the way of progress
> except
> > a record of many undigested. But other Western investigators of the
> > accepted schools have not done much better, and the result is that
> there
> > is no Western Psychology worthy of the name.
> >
>
> CUT
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