Theos-Talk Archives (November 2003 Message tt00182)

Seems to me we might all be gnomons, in a 
sense, distinguishing (ie, per whatever 
karmic/interpretive or "apparent" paths) 
various levels of t/True and s/Secondary (not 
that I'm ruling out whatever "True and 
Secondary" there may be in whatever 
"more-trancendental sense") ... But "Maya and 
Karma" in terms of "u/Ultimately" seem, to 
me, (speculatively speaking, of course ...or 
maybe I should say: just speculatively 
speaking, of course ... Not that ...)... 
sorry---so "Maya and Karma" in terms of 
"u/Ultimately" seem, to me, still "Maya and 
Karma," basically, so they might seem to have 
"limit and habitation," in whatever sense; so 
if "the fact that it exists" (whatever "it" 
might be ...) is seen in terms of 
"distinguishing the True from the Secondary" 
... (though I seem to find myself wondering 
about the nature of "True from the Secondary" 
in "more-specific terms"---not that I'm 
saying that such "wondering" might not 
necessarily lend itself to some kind of 
apparent Secondariness, for all I know, in 
some cases, maybe, at some point ...) So, in 
other words, if I could transcend "karma" ... 
where the quotes refer to my suspicion that I 
don't, or, in effect (...), "might not 
really-enough know all that much about" the 
meaning of that word (as if I could use 
quotes all that selectively, and still make 
"sense"... ^:-/ ...) ... then, maybe ... 
w/Whatever.

And maybe there are those who (?) might see 
themselves as having spent, or as spending 
Manvantara's being largely preoccupied with 
being whatever "effect point" of whatever 
considerations/agreements and apparent 
"fixed/plastic idea's" about the 
thoughts/actions/spiritualities of whatever 
"Secondary Phantoms of reality" in terms of 
those having (apparently?) no "essentially 
Real Reality" (or in terms of those as 
"somewhat lacking Real-enough Reality," 
maybe, to some extent, maybe, in some cases 
...) in terms of "Non-Dual Original Nature," 
or w/Whatever ... But surely one might 
wonder, at some point, what might've, in 
effect, "brought one" (in whatever sense) to 
such karmic Manavantarics in the first place, 
and ... Aren't we all intending to become 
enlightened so that we might get a Broader 
perspective about things beyond karma/maya?

I did some googling on the "glowing rock" 
topic, etc , but I seem to be so saturated 
with subjects dealing with various kinds of 
anomalies, that, well ... ^:-/ ... Though not 
continuously, I've been reading about 
anomalies for about the last forty years, 
strangely enough. But I seem to be thinking 
that there might be something in Theosophy 
(not that ...) that might play a role in 
helping one toward some kind of clues toward 
whatever that might, in effect, help one to 
sort of "understand"/transcend not just 
anomalies, but maybe much of "karmic life" in 
general (including, even, some of 
speculativeness, maybe)... Not that I'm 
necessarily saying that I know enough or have 
experienced enough of "karmic life" (per 
whatever definition ...?), mind you, although 
... ^:-/ ... "Although" what? "Although" as 
in gnomonizing between True and Secondary, 
maybe ... ^:-/ ... But if "gnomonizing" is 
meant in the sense of Knowing, on the other 
hand, as opposed to knowing (small k)... then 
I suppose one might want to define something 
about the sense in which one is referring to 
(cap K) "Knowing"... And seeing as, in my 
case, my "k/Knowings" seem to be rather 
essentially dualistic, regular fare, I would 
think that that might pretty much let me off 
the hook as far as any kind of defininig 
might be concerned as having the benefit of 
any kind significant enough "less-dualistic" 
experience---(ie, "defining" at least in 
hindsight, maybe, by way of whatever 
"exoteric version," maybe ... ^:-/ ...). Not 
that I'm saying that I necessarily "know 
enough" about what "significant enough" might 
be in that context. And not that I'm saying 
my reasoning in this post hasn't been 
circular, kind of, but/"but" ... ^:-/ ... one 
"tries" (ie, whatever that might mean).

Speculatively,
Mauri