Theos-Talk Archives (November 2003 Message tt00119)

Nov 13 2003

Dear friend:

The slash of suicide into our feelings and love is terrible, difficult
to overcome, but THEOSOPHY offers one view that stabilizes:

It says that all humans are immortals as Souls (creative minds), and as
"SPIRITS." Bodies die for many reasons but that is not an ultimate
destruction.

Love, as a divine force, brings a return of the SOUL to life in the
future, and usually in the company of loved ones.

Each of us shares in SPIRIT (which is the universal sense of honesty and
law). And these are represented by a word, said differently in many
religions, but conveying the sense of GOD, Deity, Universality,
Brotherhood Mercy, Fairness, Consolation, and the assurance that
physical death does not create an unbridgeable chasm. It is a temporary
loss.

So THEOSOPHY gives the assurance that the death of the body, for
whatever reason, is not the destruction of that Soul-mind. And, in
future, the body will be replaced.

Yes, the SPIRIT-SOUL has left the body. But now it will spend a while
in stasis, until, under the Law of the Universe, [GOD's Law] it is time
to reincarnate again. Jesus speaks of this in the Bible. Both Jesus and
John the Baptist were looked on as great Prophets of the past who were
reincarnating again, to help and serve their people. The law is a
universal one. Everyone reincarnates.

Reincarnation will be found at the root teaching of every great reformer
or prophet. It means that the immortal soul reincarnates again and
usually in the company of those they loved, their ;prior families, now
also reincarnated. The cycles once established tend to run
concurrently. 

Let us then look on "death" as a long sleep. We do not sorrow when a
loved one goes to sleep ahead of us, we know they will wake up next day.
So with death, the waking up is in another body and quite a few years in
the future.
Let peace be restored with this in mind.

An ancient text reads: (It is a report of a conversation between a Sage
and his pupil):


"Both I and thou have passed through many births, O devotee.  

Mine are known to me, but thou knowest not of thine.  

Thou grievest for those that may not be lamented. Those who are wise in
spiritual things grieve neither for the dead nor for the living. I
myself never was not, nor thou, nor all the beings and princes of the
earth; nor shall we ever hereafter cease to be. 

Even though myself of changeless essence, and the lord of all existence,
yet in presiding over Nature, which is mine, I am born but through my
own power of illusion, the mystic power of self-ideation, the Eternal
Thought in the Eternal MIND. 

I am the EGO which is seated in the Heart of all beings. I am the
beginning, the middle and the end of all existing things.

Each, as the "Lord" of this mortal frame, experiences therein infancy,
youth, and old age, so in future incarnations will it meet the same.  

These finite bodies which envelope the Souls inhabiting them, are said
to belong to HIM, the eternal, the indestructible, unprovable SPIRIT who
is in the body; wherefore, O devotee, grieve not.  

The man who believeth that it is the Spirit which killeth, and he who
thinketh that it may be destroyed, are both alike deceived; for it
neither killeth, nor is it killed; for it is without birth, and meeteth
not death; it is ancient, constant and eternal, and is not slain when
this, its mortal frame, is destroyed.

As a man throweth away old garments and putteth on new, even so, the
dweller in the body, having quitted its old mortal frame, entereth into
others which are new. The weapon devideth it not, for it is indivisible,
inconsumable, incorruptible; it is eternal, universal, permanent,
immovable, and, it is invisible, inconceivable, and unalterable.
Therefore knowing it to be such, thou shouldst not grieve.

One who is confirmed in this belief is not disturbed by anything that
may come to pass. There is no existence for that which does not exist,
nor is there any non-existence for what exists. By those who see the
truth and look into the principles of things, the ultimate
characteristic of these both is seen.   

The man whose devotion has been broken off by death goeth to the regions
of the righteous, where he dwells for an immensity of years, and is then
born again on earth in a pure and fortunate family...Being thus born
again he comes in contact with the knowledge that belonged tom him in
his former body, and from that time he struggles more diligently towards
perfection. For even unwittingly, by reason of that past practice, he is
led and works on. Even if only a mere enquirer, he reaches beyond the
word of the Bibles and the texts...

I hope this might be useful.

Best wishes, and let the bereaved know we all sorrow with her. And, we
all hope.

DTB

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-----Original Message-----
From: Solgarc1
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 11:19 AM
To: 
Subject: [bn-study] Re: triune man


Can someone please help me communicate through (theosophy or any other 
philosophy or realm) to my friend what a mother of a 15 year-old girl
that 
committed suicide last nite deal with this?
Thanks

Solgarc