Theos-Talk Archives (October 2003 Message tt00316)

Oct 24 2003

Re: ATLANTIS' last Island POSEIDONIS sinking - date

In MAHATMA LETTERS the Master writes: 


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(3) Yes; the fifth race -- ours -- began in Asia a million years ago.
What was it about for the 998,000 years preceding the last 2,000? A
pertinent question; offered moreover in quite a Christian spirit that
refuses to believe that any good could ever have come out from anywhere
before and save Nazareth. What was it about? Well, it was occupying
itself pretty well in the same way as it does now -- craving Mr. Grant
Allen's pardon, who would place our primitive ancestor the "hedgehoggy"
man, in the early part of the Eocene Age! Forsooth, your scientific
writers bestride their hypothesis most fearlessly, I see. It will really
be pity to find their fiery steed kicking and breaking their heads some
day; something that is unavoidably in store for them. In the Eocene Age
-- even in its "very first part," the great cycle of the fourth Race
men, the Atlanteans -- had already reached its highest point, and the
great continent, the father of nearly all the present continents --
showed the first symptoms of sinking -- a process that occupied it down
to 11,446 years ago, when its last island, that, translating its
vernacular name, we may call with propriety Poseidonis -- went down with
a crash. By the bye, whoever wrote the Review of Donnelly's Atlantis is
right: Lemuria can no more be confounded with the Atlantic Continent
than Europe with America. Both sunk and were drowned with their high
civilizations and "gods," yet between the two catastrophes, a short
period of about 700,000 years elapsed; "Lemuria" flourishing and ending
her career just at about that trifling lapse of time before the early
part of the Eocene Age, since its race was the third. Behold, the relics
of that once great nation in some of the flat headed aborigines of your
Australia! No less right is the review in rejecting the kind attempt of
the author to people India and Egypt with the refuse of Atlantis. No
doubt your geologists are very learned; but why not bear in mind that,
under the continents explored and fathomed by them, in the bowels of
which they have found the "Eocene Age" and forced it to deliver them its
secrets, there may be, hidden deep in the fathomless, or rather
unfathomed ocean beds, other, and far older continents whose stratums
have never been geologically explored; and that they may some (lay upset
entirely their present theories, thus illustrating the simplicity and
sublimity of truth as connected with inductive "generalization" in
opposition to their visionary conjectures. Why not admit -- true no one
of them has ever thought of it -- that our present continents, have --
like "Lemuria" and "Atlantis" -- been several times already, submerged
and had the time to reappear again, and bear their new groups of mankind
and civilization; and that, at the first great geological upheaval, at
the next cataclysm -- in the series of periodical cataclysms that occur
from the beginning to the end of every Round, -- our already autopsized
continents will go down, and the Lemurias and Atlantises come up again. 
M L p. 150-2


" (4) To the Miocene times. Everything comes in its appointed time and
place in the evolution of Rounds, otherwise it would be impossible for
the best seer to calculate the exact hour and year when such cataclysms
great and small have to occur. All an adept could do would be to predict
an approximate time; whereas now events that result in great geological
changes may be predicted with as mathematical a certainty as eclipses
and other revolutions in space. The sinking of Atlantis (the group of
continents and isles) begun during the Miocene period -- as certain of
your continents are now observed to be gradually sinking -- and it
culminated -- first, in the final disappearance of the largest continent
an event coincident with the elevation of the Alps; and second with that
of the last of the fair Islands mentioned by Plato. The Egyptian priests
of Sais told his ancestor Solon, that Atlantis (i.e. the only remaining
large island) had perished 9,000 years before their time. This was not a
fancy date, since they had for milleniums preserved most carefully their
records. But then, as I say, they spoke but of the "Poseidonis" and
would not reveal even to the great Greek legislator their secret
chronology. As there are no geological reasons for doubting, but on the
contrary, a mass of evidence for accepting the tradition, Science has
finally accepted the existence of the great continent and Archipelago
and thus vindicated the truth of one more "fable." It now teaches, as
you know that Atlantis, or the remnants of it lingered down to
post-tertiary times, its final submergence occurring within the
palaeozoic ages of American history! Well, truth and fact ought to feel
thankful even for such small favours in the previous absence of any, for
so many centuries. The deep sea explorations -- especially those of the
Challenger have fully confirmed the reports of geology and
palaeontology. The great event -- the triumph of our "Sons of the Fire
Mist" the inhabitants of "Shambullah" (when yet an island in the Central
Asian Sea) over the selfish but not entirely wicked magicians of
Poseidonis occurred just 11,446 ago. Read in this connection the
incomplete and partially veiled tradition, in Isis, Volume I, p. 588-94,
and some things may become still plainer to you. The corroboration of
tradition and history, brought forward by Donnelly I find in the main
correct; but you will find all this and much more in Isis. "
M L pp. 154-5

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I hope this helps,

Best wishes,


Dallas

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-----Original Message-----
From: arturo carvajal [mailto:arturo_carvajal@hotmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 6:12 PM
To: study@blavatsky.net
Subject: [bn-study] Re: upcoming atlantis talks

There is an amazing book about Atlantis, A dweller of two planets by
Philos 
the Tibetan. I have not found a more specific information yet about
Atlantis 
anywhere else.
Also KH in the Mahatma Letters said that the sinking of Atlantis was
12553 
years ago..I will find the specific letter and date and send it to the
List.
Arturo


>From: Reed Carson <reed3@blavatsky.net>
>Reply-To: study@blavatsky.net
>To: study@blavatsky.net
>Subject: [bn-study] upcoming atlantis talks
>Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 10:55:24 -0400
>
>Peter,
>
>Actually there are two talks coming up. One on Oct 27 at ULT in NY and
a 
>second on Nov 1 at TS in NY. The second will be held in the TS
building 
>and will feature a collection of panelists of which I am one. David
had 
>mentioned it earlier. In both cases my subject is Atlantis. See
homepage 
>for details.
>
>There is apparently some evidence accumulating that attendees to these 
>things are preferring a format that is highly interactive. So it is
not 
>exactly a "talk". I am guessing it will be some kind of hybrid of a
"talk" 
>/ "discussion group". Personally I like this format better because it
is 
>more involving for the participants (no longer the audience) and it is 
>plain more interesting for everyone, myself included.
>
>So instead of a specific set of words to be said or definite statements
in 
>a definite order, I have some issues that I think ought to be raised
and a 
>sequence in mind that I think will be reasonable. To see what actually

>occurs - we have to wait till it is over!
>
>Here are my subjects:
>
>1. The discussion of Atlantis starts with Plato. There will be some 
>details of Platonic tradition on Atlantis that I think Theosophists
will 
>enjoy comparing to HPB's statements.
>
>2. Since Theosophy accords much respect to the testimony of the
ancients, 
>I might bring out that some other ancients besides Plato did also speak
on 
>Atlantis.
>
>3. An important point is to understand why traditional science so
soundly 
>rejects the possibility of Atlantis. We should learn to see our view
in 
>their perspective. This leads to "their" way of accepting Atlantis -
and 
>what is plainly wrong with it.
>
>4. They will likely push me discuss recent finds under and above the 
>ocean. I hope they do.
>
>5. What is less well known is the striking evidence of very severe
global 
>disaster. I am almost wordless to describe it. It will turn out that
we 
>are not talking about the sinking of an island. We are talking about a

>world-wide disaster of incredible proportions.
>
>6. This may lead us to discuss how science got to this point. What I
call 
>"the wrong turn of science" made in the 1830's.
>
>7. Inevitably we are led to hunt for the cause of the global disaster.

>There is suggestive evidence.
>
>8. In my opinion there are a few items in the SD that are related to
the 
>"sinking of Atlantis" that are not at all obviously so at first glance.

>Unless we study in the general direction I have described above we will
be 
>totally oblivious to the connection. Indeed we need this analysis to 
>understand a few more items in the SD that seem to me to be related.
>
>9. And finally there are the words of the masters when describing
the 
>date for the sinking of Atlantis. At first they may seem a trifle odd
or 
>perhaps not unusual at all. At the end of the "presentation" they
should 
>seem filled with portent and knowledge and should seem different to
almost 
>everyone compared to when they walked into the room.
>
>Reed
>
>
>
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