Theos-Talk Archives (October 2003 Message tt00222)

Dallas:

Under the subject of comparative religion, it's possible to consider the
beliefs and claims of popular gurus. Sai Baba is seen as a spiritual teacher
by his followers. How authentic are his claims and does he fake any of his
phenomena? That would be a question for our theosophical historians. Apart
from claims, we can study the ideas and learn how and why they think the way
that they do.

Any claims made on his behalf are probably more for the benefit of his
followers than for proving anything to skeptics. If people follow him and
benefit from it, should we seek to discredit him in the name of truth? I
think that would be a bad idea. Such thinking is back of most religious
wars, which accomplish nothing but getting some people to change their
professed beliefs from "brand x" of religion to "brand y" of religion. Even
after that professed change of belief, though, the people are no more
intelligent, compassionate, loving, self-sacrificing, or noble than they
were previously. They just pay lip service to a different creed.

I recall reading in Tibetan Buddhism that one should hold complete faith and
confidence in his or her guru, regardless of the human failings of the
actual person. This total acceptance is given as an important part of the
training. I can understand why, although I also recognize the wide variety
of spiritual schools and training available, some that adopt this technique
and others that shun it. If certain people flock to a guru and seem content
with the spiritual benefits offered, I'd suggest we respectfully leave them
to their chosen path until they feel an inner urge to seek out something
else, leading our paths to cross with theirs and giving us the opportunity
to help. 

If we discuss what Sai Baba says, we can contrast it with what we've learned
from the theosophical teachings. That discussion might help round out our
theosophical knowledge as well as provide a different way of presenting our
ideas that someone studying with him might better appreciate. Perhaps
someone could outline in a few paragraphs what his basic philosophy is?

-- Eldon

-----Original Message-----
From: W. Dallas TenBreoeck [mailto:dalval14@earthlink.net] 
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 11:41 AM
To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: Theos-World the future evolution of the theosophical seal

Oct 20 2003

Dear Eldon:

I don't think the free for all about Sai Baba has much if anything to do
with Theosophy.

Claims settle nothing but convey a certain anger and annoyance which
disturbs philosophical considerations? Or am I wrong?

Also (to me) it is rather annoying for those who desire to sturdy
Theosophical ideas, ramifications and their sources.

I believe it is one of the original rules of the THEOSOPHICAL MOVEMENT
that nothing be said antagonistic to some other religion, sect or system
of belief.
I feel this is a violation, but, I may be wrong.

Best wishes,

Dallas