Theos-Talk Archives (October 2003 Message tt00205)

The Mahatmas Letters to A.P.Sinnett - Letter 134:

"Because K.H. chose to correspond with two men, who proved of the 
utmost importance and use to the Society they all -- whether wise or 
stupid, clever or dull, possibly useful or utterly useless -- lay 
their claims to correspond with us directly -- too. Tell him (you) 
that this must be stopped. For ages we never corresponded with 
anyone, nor do we mean to. What has Benemadhab or any other of the 
many claimants done to have a right to such a claim? Nothing 
whatever. They join the Society, and though remaining as stubborn as 
ever in their old beliefs and superstitions, and having never given 
up caste or one single of their customs, they, in their selfish 
exclusiveness, expect to see and converse with us and have our help 
in all and everything. I will be pleased if Mr. Sinnett says, to 
everyone of those who may address him with similar pretensions the 
following: "The 'Brothers' desire me to inform one and all of you, 
natives, that unless a man is prepared to become a thorough 
theosophist i.e. to do as D. Mavalankar did, -- give up entirely 
caste, his old superstitions and show himself a true reformer 
(especially in the case of child marriage) he will remain simply a 
member of the Society with no hope whatever of ever hearing from us. 
The Society, acting in this directly in accordance with our orders, 
forces no one to become a theosophist of the IId. Section. It is left 
with himself and at his choice. It is useless for a member to 
argue 'I am one of a pure life, I am a teetotaller and an abstainer 
from meat and vice. All my aspirations are for good etc.' and he, at 
the same time, building by his acts and deeds an impassable barrier 
on the road between himself and us. What have we, the disciples of 
the true Arhats, of esoteric Buddhism and of Sang-gyas to do with the 
Shasters and Orthodox Brahmanism? There are 100 of thousands of 
Fakirs, Sannyasis and Saddhus leading the most pure lives, and yet 
being as they are, on the path of error, never having had an 
opportunity to meet, see or even hear of us. Their forefathers have 
driven away the followers of the only true philosophy upon earth away 
from India and now, it is not for the latter to come to them but to 
them to come to us if they want us. Which of them is ready to become 
a Buddhist, a Nastika as they call us? None. Those who have believed 
and followed us have had their reward. Mr. Sinnett and Hume are 
exceptions. Their beliefs are no barrier to us for they have none. 
They may have had influences around them, bad magnetic emanations the 
result of drink, Society and promiscuous physical associations 
(resulting even from shaking hands with impure men) but all this is 
physical and material impediments which with a little effort we could 
counteract and even clear away without much detriment to ourselves. 
Not so with the magnetism and invisible results proceeding from 
erroneous and sincere beliefs. Faith in the Gods and God, and other 
superstitions attracts millions of foreign influences, living 
entities and powerful agents around them, with which we would have to 
use more than ordinary exercise of power to drive them away. We do 
not choose to do so. We do not find it either necessary or profitable 
to lose our time waging war to the unprogressed Planetaries who 
delight in personating gods and sometimes well known characters who 
have lived on earth. There are Dhyan-Chohans and "Chohans of 
Darkness," not what they term devils but imperfect "Intelligences" 
who have never been born on this or any other earth or sphere no more 
than the "Dhyan Chohans" have and who will never belong to 
the "builders of the Universe," the pure Planetary Intelligences, who 
preside at every Manvantara while the Dark Chohans preside at the 
Pralayas. Explain this to Mr. Sinnett (I CAN'T) -- tell him to read 
over what I said to them in the few things I have explained to Mr. 
Hume; and let him remember that as all in this universe is contrast 
(I cannot translate it better) so the light of the Dhyan Chohans and 
their pure intelligence is contrasted by the "Ma-Mo Chohans" -- and 
their destructive intelligence. These are the gods the Hindus and 
Christians and Mahomed and all others of bigoted religions and sects 
worship; and so long as their influence is upon their devotees we 
would no more think of associating with or counteracting them in 
their work than we do the Red-Caps on earth whose evil results we try 
to palliate but whose work we have no right to meddle with so long as 
they do not cross our path. (You will not understand this, I suppose. 
But think well over it and you will. M. means here, that they have no 
right or even power to go against the natural or that work which is 
prescribed to each class of beings or existing things by the law of 
nature. The Brothers, for instance could prolong life but they could 
not destroy death, not even for themselves. They can to a degree 
palliate evil and relieve suffering; they could not destroy evil. No 
more can the Dhyan Chohans impede the work of the Mamo Chohans, for 
their Law is darkness, ignorance, destruction etc., as that of the 
former is Light, knowledge and creation. The Dhyan Chohans answer to 
Buddh, Divine Wisdom and Life in blissful knowledge, and the Ma-mos 
are the personification in nature of Shiva, Jehovah and other 
invented monsters with Ignorance at their tail)."
M. 

--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "morya_est" <morya_est@y...> wrote:
> Brahman Racist Sai Baba destroyed an Australian young woman in 
> Chennai, India.
> I am a witness.
> 
> --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "morya_est" <morya_est@y...> 
wrote:
> > Brahman Racist Sai Baba misguides humanity.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "krishtar_a" <krishtar_a@b...> 
> > wrote:
> > > Hi
> > > I forgot to include the tale in my last e-mail.
> > > Sorry for that.
> > > Although I pass on the text, it doenīt mean that I believe his 
> > claimed avatarhood.
> > > It was written by a devotee, thatīs why the style is so 
> > enthusiastic...
> > > I consider it pseudo.
> > 
> 
> ....................................................................
> > ........................................
> > > 
> > > Just a change of matter:
> > > Many claim S S Baba to be an avatar, He himself does.
> > > There is an article telling a story of how Sathya Sai Baba 
> > discovered or was " enlighted" with this conception of his 
> > avatarhood.
> > > It is otherwise a nice tale and has been told to everybody who 
> > seeks and researches about his holiness conditions.
> > > Any comments will be welcome.
> > > In peace
> > > 
> > > Krishtar
> > 
> 
> ....................................................................
> > ....
> > > The Shirdi Connection
> > > 
> > > May 23rd 1940. The hamlet of Puttaparthi. A young lad of 
> fourteen, 
> > > with a face radiant with compassion and love, was surrounded by 
> the 
> > > village folk. He was apparently materializing sugar candy.out 
of 
> > > thin air! His father too, skeptically looked on. This was not 
the 
> > > first time his Sathya was putting up such a 'show'. Sathya had 
> been 
> > > behaving strangely for quite some time, exhibiting supernatural 
> > > powers. He lectured on sublime spiritual topics, way beyond a 
boy 
> > of 
> > > his age. The father, and in fact, Sathya's entire family was 
> > > perplexed and worried at the same time. That day, the father 
> could 
> > > no longer tolerate this behaviour. He was convinced that his 
son 
> > was 
> > > possessed. May be by some evil spirit. He took hold of a stick 
> and 
> > > demanded, addressing the so-called spirit. "Who are you? Are 
you 
> > > God, Ghost or Devil?".
> > > 
> > > "I am SAI BABA" came the reply. 
> > > 
> > > That was the first time the world was made aware of the Shirdi 
> > > Connection.
> > > 
> > > Sathya went on "I am Sai Baba of Shirdi. I have taken birth in 
> your 
> > > family because of the prayers of your ancestor Venkavadhootha".
> > > 
> > > Everyone present was stunned. They hadn't heard anything, 
either 
> of 
> > > Shirdi or of Sai Baba! 
> > > 
> > > Someone challenged Sathya "If you are really Sai Baba, show us 
> some 
> > > proof!" Sathya picked up a bunch of jasmine flowers and threw 
> them 
> > > on to the ground. When they fell to the ground, they neatly 
> > arranged 
> > > themselves into the words SAI BABA, in the Telugu script. 
> > > 
> > > With passing days, Sathya only reinforced this revelation.
> > > 
> > > On October 20th, 1940, at Uravakonda, He came back from school, 
> > > threw his books and declared, "I am no longer your Sathya! I am 
> Sai 
> > > Baba. I do not belong to you. I have my work. My devotees are 
> > > calling me." He walked into the neighbor's garden, sat on a 
rock 
> > and 
> > > gave His first message, to the faithful who had assembled 
there, 
> in 
> > > the form of a bhajan: Manasa Bhajare Gurucharanam...
> > > 
> > > A bystander photographed the young Sai Baba sitting on the rock 
> and 
> > > leading the bhajan. The image that was developed had a small 
> statue 
> > > of Shirdi Baba in front of the young Sathya. Nothing strange, 
> > except 
> > > for the fact that there was never a statue in front of Sathya 
in 
> > the 
> > > first place! Sathya had reinforced His identity. The world now 
> > > hailed Him as Sathya Sai Baba.
> > > 
> > > The word soon spread that the Sai Baba of Shirdi had come 
again, 
> as 
> > > Sai Baba of Puttaparthi. 
> > > 
> > > Sai Baba born again? At, what's that place... Puttaparthi? Many 
> of 
> > > the Devotees of the Lord of Shirdi were curious. Some came to 
> > > Sathya, in humility and faith, to see and hear their Lord 
again. 
> > > Others came to challenge this 'young upstart' who claimed to be 
> > > Shridi Sai. They stayed back, as believers. 
> > > 
> > > Ask Sundaramma, 105 years old, living at Prasanthi Nilayam. 
Back 
> in 
> > > 1910, when she was 13 years old, her husband was working as a 
> > > stationmaster at Manmad. Manmad was just a few hours from 
Shirdi, 
> > > the abode of Sai Baba. The husband was a devotee of Baba and 
he, 
> > > along with his wife, went to have the darshan of Shirdi Baba. 
In 
> > > that trip, Baba called the husband and gave him a silver coin 
> with 
> > > his padukas (feet) embossed on it. He told the 
husband, 'Worship 
> > > these Feet everyday' (In other words 'Manasa Bhajare Guru 
> > > Charanam'!).
> > > 
> > > Years rolled by and the husband passed away. In the 1960's when 
> > > Sundaramma was told by one of her friends that Sai baba had 
> > > reincarnated again in the hamlet of Puttaparthi, she wouldn't 
> > > believe it. But her curiosity got the better of her and she 
came 
> to 
> > > see the young Satya Sai Baba, who claimed to be 'her' Shirdi 
> Baba. 
> > > Quite some days went by and Sundaramma was not convinced that 
> Satya 
> > > Sai could be the same as Shirdi Sai. She remarked to one of her 
> > > friends, who was a devotee "I will never bow down to this Baba. 
> My 
> > > lord is Shirdi Baba alone. I am going to leave this place 
soon". 
> > > Word reached Swami about Sundaramma's plans. The time had come 
to 
> > > prove to her, the Shirdi connection. One day, He quietly walked 
> > into 
> > > Sundaramma's quarters. She was cooking something. "Sundaramma! 
Is 
> > it 
> > > true that you want leave this place?", He asked. "Yes Swami, I 
> > would 
> > > rather go to Shirdi than stay in this godforsaken village!" She 
> was 
> > > still cooking, her eyes not meeting Swami's.
> > > 
> > > "Do you want to see your Shirdi Baba?", Swami asked.
> > > 
> > > "I would love to!... But alas! He had taken Samadhi long, long 
> > ago", 
> > > said Sundaramma, still facing the other side.
> > > 
> > > "Do you still want to see your Shirdi Baba?" , Swami persisted.
> > > 
> > > "But how is that... possible? He is no longer here!", she said 
> > > turning back to see Swami.
> > > 
> > > And what she saw... opened the floodgates of memories from her 
> > early 
> > > years. She couldn't believe it. Yes, He was there: Her Baba 
from 
> > > Shirdi, in flesh and blood! With tears in her eyes she bowed 
down 
> > to 
> > > His feet. Time stood still... space no longer existed... Shirdi 
> had 
> > > merged with Parthi... only she and her SAI BABA remained!
> > > 
> > > And she never ever left Prasanthi Nilayam. Even to this day, in 
> her 
> > > feeble voice, she tells the devotees, her marvelous story!
> > > 
> > > The Chaitanya Jyothi museum, at Puttaparthi, showcases today 
one 
> of 
> > > the greatest testimonials for the Lord's Shirdi Connection. 
When 
> > > Swami visited it recently, He was shown a tonga, a horse driven 
> > > cart. What was so special about this tonga? Well, this tonga 
was 
> > > from Chincholi, a former princely state in South India. When 
the 
> > > aged Queen of Chincholi met Satya Sai Baba for the first time, 
> > Swami 
> > > remarked and described how He had visited Chincholi earlier, 
> while 
> > > in His previous body! This was in fact true! Shirdi Baba had 
> indeed 
> > > made an extra corporeal visit to Chincholi many a time! Swami 
> went 
> > > on to describe the quarters of the palace that He stayed in, 
the 
> > > personal moments that He had spent with the Raja and the Queen 
> and 
> > > of course, the long drives He had, with the Raja, in the Tonga! 
> The 
> > > accuracy of the details, known only to the Queen, was 
> unbeliveble! 
> > > The evidence was impeccable. Here was the same Baba of Shirdi! 
> The 
> > > Queen was moved, and she presented to Swami, the tonga that He 
> had 
> > > used as Shirdi Sai. This was the very same tonga, which was 
shown 
> > to 
> > > Swami at Chaitanya Jyothi. When Swami saw it, He casually 
> remarked, 
> > > that there used to be a small lantern holder, on side of the 
> tonga, 
> > > which was now missing. It was, as though He rode in it, just 
> > > yesterday! 
> > > 
> > > On the morning of 15th October 2002, exactly 84 years after 
> Shirdi 
> > > Baba had taken Samadhi, yet another chapter was added to the 
> Shirdi 
> > > connection. On that Vijay Dashami morning, Swami went up the 
> hill, 
> > > adjoining the Vidyagiri stadium. Halfway to the hilltop, 
between 
> > the 
> > > statues of Shiva and Krishna, was a tall statue, draped in 
silk, 
> > > waiting to be unveiled. Swami pressed a remote controlled 
button 
> > and 
> > > the silk veils fell down, to reveal the beautiful form of 
Shirdi 
> > > Baba. The statue of His Previous incarnation stands today, 
amidst 
> > > the 'Grand Gallery of Gods', in the Stadium. 
> > > 
> > > Whenever Swami refers to the Shirdi Avatar, He says 'Purva 
> > > Sariramulo...' which means 'when I was in the previous body.' 
The 
> > > statement awakens us to the fact that He is the one who was in 
> > > Shirdi. And that now He has reincarnated in Parthi. But it also 
> > > points to a subtler and more profound truth: He transcends both 
> the 
> > > places. He transcends time. He transcends bodies. For, He is 
the 
> > > Spirit. The Immortal Spirit, that reincarnates from time to 
time, 
> > > for the redemption of Humanity.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
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