Theos-Talk Archives (October 2003 Message tt00182)

Hi all of you,


I just got hold on the following:

1. The US government certainly allows freedom of speech - oct. 16th 2003:

The newly appointed - deputy undersecretary of Defense for intelligence makes a stir in the world !
Taken from "Common Dreams News Center" online:

"WASHINGTON - The Pentagon has assigned the task of tracking down and eliminating Osama bin Laden, Saddam Hussein and other high-profile targets to an Army general who sees the war on terrorism as a clash between Judeo-Christian values and Satan.

Lt. Gen. William G. "Jerry" Boykin, the new deputy undersecretary of Defense for intelligence, is a much-decorated and twice-wounded veteran of covert military operations. From the bloody 1993 clash with Muslim warlords in Somalia chronicled in "Black Hawk Down" and the hunt for Colombian drug czar Pablo Escobar to the ill-fated attempt to rescue American hostages in Iran in 1980, Boykin was in the thick of things. 



Yet the former commander and 13-year veteran of the Army's top-secret Delta Force is also an outspoken evangelical Christian who appeared in dress uniform and polished jump boots before a religious group in Oregon in June to declare that radical Islamists hated the United States "because we're a Christian nation, because our foundation and our roots are Judeo-Christian ... and the enemy is a guy named Satan." - "

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"We in the army of God, in the house of God, kingdom of God have been raised for such a time as this," Boykin said last year. 

On at least one occasion, in Sandy, Ore., in June, Boykin said of President Bush: "He's in the White House because God put him there."





2. CBS - oct. 17th 2003

"(CBS/AP) A top Pentagon general has said he will tone down his rhetoric after being criticized for casting the war on terror as a religious battle, officials said Friday. 

But Defense Department lawyers, public affairs officials and others were meeting Friday to try to figure out whether that would be enough to calm the furor surrounding Army Lt. Gen. William G. Boykin, who has made several speeches - some in uniform - at evangelical Christian churches in which he said the U.S. was fighting a war with Satan. 

Boykin, the new deputy undersecretary for intelligence, has told Pentagon officials that he will curtail his speechmaking, officials said. He was expected to issue a written statement Friday. 

A decorated veteran of foreign campaigns, the three-star general said of a 1993 battle with a Muslim militia leader in Somalia: "I knew that my God was bigger than his. I knew that my God was a real God, and his was an idol." 

Asked about that comment, Boykin told CBS News he was not referring to the Muslim God, Allah, but to the Somali warlord's worship of money as an idol. He added that he does not believe the war against terror is a battle between Islam and Christianity. "





3. Malaysia on the Jews - running the world and USA(?)

"(CBS/AP) Malaysia, faced with angry criticism from the United States and Europe over comments made at an Islamic summit, apologized Friday for "any misunderstanding" over Prime Minister Mahathir Mohamad's assertion that Jews rule the world. 

Foreign Minister Syed Hamid Albar, struggling to contain the controversy wrought by his blunt-spoken boss, insisted he was not apologizing for Mahathir's speech itself on Thursday but said the remarks had been taken out of context. 

Mahathir told leaders of the 57-nation Organization of the Islamic Conference, the world's largest Muslim grouping, that "Jews rule the world by proxy. They get others to fight and die for them." 

The speech drew immediate criticism from Israel and other countries and raised fears that it could fan violence against Jews. But it got a standing ovation from the kings, presidents, sheiks and emirs - including key U.S. allies - gathered in Malaysia's capital, Putrajaya. 

Israel compared the remarks of the Malaysian Prime Minister to the anti-Semitic rhetoric that proceeded the Holocaust. 

"Therefore, Israel calls on the entire civilized community to condemn his words," government spokesman Dore Gold told CBS News Correspondent Robert Berger, adding that the remarks are a desecration of the memory of six million victims of anti-Semitism killed during World War II. 

Rabbi Abraham Cooper, associate dean of the Simon Wiesenthal Center in Los Angeles, said Mahathir has used anti-Israel statements in the past to prove he's tough on the West. But, he said, Thursday's speech was still worrisome. 

"What is profoundly shocking and worrying is the venue of the speech, the audience and coming in the time we're living in," Cooper said in Jerusalem. "Mahathir's speech today is an absolute invitation for more hate crimes and terrorism against Jews. That's serious." 

The head of the U.S. Anti-Defamation League, Abraham Foxman, echoed that sentiment, saying that the prime minister "has made what amounts to a call for global war against the Jewish people by 1.3 billion Muslims. "


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We all know what views Blavatsky and others had on especially Christianity - so now some of you might see what is going on !
And we all know how much the Alice A. Bailey books are being looked a with sweet appreciation by influential politicians at United Nations level and in US political areas - (Maybe because of statements like this one on Islam - making Islam into a sort of bad hybrid offshoot, - Esoteric Psychology - vol. 1, page 167-8).

True theosophy don't use a Bible !
True theosophy don't need to use idolatry !
It will only be weak theosophists - who would feel it necessary to do so.
Try the Blavatsky article: http://www.blavatsky.net/blavatsky/arts/IsTheosophyAReligion.htm
Theosophy - cull the good it finds in each.

Good is good. Bad is bad.



When is learning not Indoctrination ?

Indoctrination may be called 'the instilling of attitudes without
the saving grace of digesting them'. Indoctrination is not what
some people claim, that is to say the more rapid accomplisment
of something which ordinarily takes a culture many years to
achive.
What makes a 'digested' system more acceptable than an
imposed one ?
Two things. First a greater time-scale and conditions of
freedom give an opportunity for rejection. Second, where there
is a time-scale measured in years - and where there is oppor-
tunity for dissent and discussion, there is room for modification.
Inducing people to believe things - and the, usually, turning
around and saying that this belief, because it is belief, is sacred or
even inevitable - is the hallmark of indoctrination.
Putting forward, and giving people information which
enables them to test these (including testing them against other
ideas) spells freedom and education, both of which are distorted
or abolished by indoctrinatior.
Two things prevent the foregoing being widely known at the present
time: -

1. The discovery, certainly in the 'West' and modern world, is
recent. I will take time to percolate.
2. When the facts are presented, they are an embarrassment to
those who, examining their own attitudes, realise that,
in certain areas, they are themselves victims of
indoctrination.



from
M. Sufilight with peace and love...



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