Theos-Talk Archives (September 2003 Message tt00153)

Ah Adelaise (and Dallas)

You say : "If we could truly love others for what they are, instead of for 
what
> they could be, or "should" be, how much better a world we would make
> for ourselves" , and you are in my opinion absolutely right! , but then you 
> say, "In the meantime" - what meantime? Lets say you where a footballer 
> your goal would have to be to score, and at some point you actually had to 
> kick the ball - or in more academical terms," Our material finite minds", 
> as you put it, have at some point to be infinite and divine, or "good 
> enough". So what are you waiting for, the savior or something? Of course if 
> we try to reach the whole world with our arms we had to be a Jesus.... But 
> an old wise saying says : "If you save one person, you save the world"(you 
> cannot know the truth in this unless you have don it). In my world, (and 
> that is n o t your world because I havent met you!) I have seen life being 
> meaningfull and joyfull as a result of a persons ability to apreciate me 
> and others. I have been overwelmed by the beauty and the fingerprint of God 
> in every person. That fingerprint is what we share, or love. It is the 
> mysterious thing that happen when you look, not through the glass of Kant 
> or Hegel (-at some kind of infinite shape -,) but straight at the person 
> expecting nothing more that what are, suddenly one starts to love the 
> person, and through their faullts, stupedness, naivety - simply humanity- 
> and one feels that that love comes either from me or you, but from but both 
> - or from God, and then we, maybe for one second only, become divine - but 
> that second is eternity - that is the great paradox!!
So why do you reduce mankind and call us infinite minds, when our innermost 
nature and ultimate goal is infinite - talk for yourself damm it! You 
contradict yourself again!

> From: "adelasie" <adelasie@surfari.net>
> Reply-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: Theos-World time to review
> Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 12:58:30 -0700
>
> Ah Thomas,
>
> If we could truly love others for what they are, instead of for what
> they could be, or "should" be, how much better a world we would make
> for ourselves. But we are doing the best we can, that I firmly
> believe. In the meantime, we can try to realize that every individual
> is a part of the Absolute, that each carries within his/her innermost
> heart the spark of Divinity, of perfection. This is the paradox of
> the concept of hierarchy. In truth there is no "higher" or "lower."
> Our material finite minds demand some sort of categorization. In
> truth all is one eternally. This apparent separation is an illusion,
> the dream emanating from the inner reality, that which exists for the
> purpose of enlarging the collective consciousness. The more we
> approach to the realization of Unity, the more the illusion of
> separateness decreases in power.
>
> All the best,
> Adelasie
>
> On 16 Sep 2003 at 14:58, Thomas Edgor wrote:
>
> > I have read some of the discussion at this talk group with great
> > interest, and this mail Adelaise point out some of the essence in
> > theosophy. Of course I know in advance that my wiews will make me a
> > victim of prejustice. (being someone on the other side;
> > "narrowminded") In fact in my opinion, the theosophical doctrine of
> > "oneness" and anti-seperatism is falling under its own rethorical
> > argumentation. That is because the hierarcial/pyramidical nature of
> > initation, evolution and evolving of conciousness - which is the
> > fundamental doctrine in theosophy - preaches not a union of mankind,
> > but a separation of the higher, from the lower. This is in my opinion
> > nothing else than an abstraction of the laws of nature, which is the
> > survival of the fittest - and is the antithesis of the kingdom in
> > heaven: our common divine nature, which is creation - where we all are
> > equal. Well, the whole doctrine of evolving into God (and its
> > falsness), is of course thouroghly presentet in the Bible - I will
> > refer to that book. I just want to give another version of "the big
> > picture", or the Golden Age. Maybe it is not the utopia of a graet
> > human divivne plan, but simply one person being able to grow fond of
> > another person, not "falling in love", but the ability to actually
> > love things and poeple for what they are, and not what they should
> > become.
> >
> > Sincerely Thomas
> >
>
>
>
>
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