Theos-Talk Archives (August 2003 Message tt00027)

Dallas, 

Thanks for the intro...

In all honesty, I feel that this dialogue needs to be really engaged 
by Theosophists to the "non-Theosophical" world. Our message is 
needed at least as urgently now as it was in the 1880's when HPB was 
battling the superstition of Spiritualism and the materialism of the 
science that today is fast moving us towards our own version of 
Atlantis.

Sorry...this is one Theosophist who does not, and never will, equate 
passivity ("Quietism - the paralysis of the soul" ML11) with 
spirituality.

Joe Fulton
Tucson, AZ

--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "dalval14" <dalval14@e...> wrote:
> Thursday, August 07, 2003
> 
> Re: Present and Future? What will it be ?
> 
> 
> Dear Joe, and Friends
> 
> You wrote: --
> 
> =================
> JF 
> 
> The question that all of these brings up is the same. We are on
> the verge of recreating ourselves, in ways that we have only the
> dimmest concept of the effects. What kind of ethics is going to
> guide our development? What yardstick of wisdom will we use?
> Are we going to bring into reality what Timaeus and the Rig Veda
> warned of thousands of years ago? 
> 
> In any case, I hope this has given you some additional food for
> thought and perhaps will be the opening of a dialogue that will
> produce some imaginative approaches and perhaps even solutions to
> the conundrums posed by these issues. Please feel free to share
> this e-mail with whomever you see fit. My intent is simply to
> promote dialogue on important issues among people of all
> persuasions, spiritual, philosophical, scientific and otherwise.
> 
> ======================
> 
> Dallas:	Let me inter-observe:
> 
> DTB	Theosophy considers the universe (Nature), of which man
> is an integral part, as an interactive "school" consisting of
> immortal elementary individuals (Monads -- of United
> Spirit/matter immoral Individuals) and their environment consists
> of a large mass of "Monads of lesser experience." [ see S D I
> 632-3, 619-20, 623, ]
> 
> Everything is included in this concept that visualizes an
> immortal mass of "students" at various levels all passing through
> various stages of experience until individual "perfection," or,
> graduation.
> 
> The "graduation" is considered to be the apotheosis of spiritual
> Perfection, and of wisdom. The titles given to such successful
> ones, are, among others, Masters of Wisdom, Christs, Mahatmas,
> Bodhisattvas, Buddhas, Avatars, Dhyanis [ Gnyanis--the WISE ].
> Their advent among men create a lasting impression and frequently
> religions spring up among their later successors and adherents.
> These wise ones have always existed, and in fact are our Elder
> Brothers. [see ISIS UNVEILED II, pp. 98-105, 593 top]
> 
> All this complexity has existed (not imagined or fancied) for
> aeons of time. The rules and Laws (which are justice, fairness,
> compassion and total equity) are called Karma (in general they
> are the virtues -- which rule all conditions, situations and
> individuals always. In Theosophy, The SECRET DOCTRINE and ISIS
> UNVEILED trace these hints and remnants, and emphasizes for us
> moderns, their similarities and analogies
> 
> Mankind, considered psychologically and intellectually, is in a
> "balance situation"-- midway. It is equilibrized in intelligence
> and spiritual consciousness (ethics) with ignorance, selfishness
> and the vices of the intellectually selfish. Mankind is a
> transition stage, wherein the "desire burdened Personality, by
> its own choice and efforts, transforms itself out of that selfish
> set of. limits into the universal Potential of an immortal
> universal WISE ONE. Constitutionally, it decides to do NO HARM
> to any one. It makes itself altruistic and noble.
> 
> In mankind, the ignorance, fantasy and indolence of the
> "personality"(Kama) and [the proud isolation of selfishness], is
> equipoised by the close proximity of the INDIVIDUALITY -- the
> Spiritual Immortal and generous immortal Soul (the Higher Manas).
> This latter is always engaged in education -- it passes on the
> ethics of superior Men, to those seeking for a sure guidance to
> be applied in their own life. And it provides in addition, the
> logic and rationale of the virtues. It banishes "authority,"
> "blind belief," and the whimsical fancies and powers, of an
> imagined "personal God."
> 
> It proclaims the realm of Law everywhere. Karma, it says,
> provides compensation, for the least of harm (or good) done to
> another - the redress thereof, being essential to progress of the
> individual who is harmed, the one who harms and the advancement
> of the whole. 
> 
> Benevolence, generosity, and sharing are always considered
> superior to selfishness.
> 
> Kurzweil and Heinlein wrote of the selfish personality and its
> lawless selfish enhancement basically the forced sacrifice of the
> "many" for the pleasure and success of the "few." Nature does
> not work that way. Hence, the short lives of those who live
> selfishly.
> 
> As to the general RULES OF THE UNIVERSE ? It is a vast code, a
> true science, uniform, and has always been geared for the
> ultimate success of every unit (Monad), without exception. The
> rights and privileges of every individual are considered equal to
> all others -- and thus, responsible life is visualized as WHOLE
> LIFE. It demands a knowledge of Laws and their application in all
> cases.
> 
> Since eternity is its time-frame, it is not able, nor is it to be
> placed into any accelerated mood for certain intellectual, but
> heartless giants, who might desire to "out-run all the rest." It
> is not exciting, nor is it indifference to the mass of lesser
> individuals (all immortals also), and it certainly is not the
> enhancement of the present short-sighted selfishness of a few
> personalities. Nor of the heartless technologies of the present,
> misused in armaments, political controls, and the rule, or
> otherwise, of the average populace. 
> 
> Real Power does not reside with the wealthy that are known, but
> with those "behind the scenes" manipulators of the wealthy, the
> politicians and the policies of business, and government. 
> .
> =============================
> 
> J F
> 
> You ask: "What kind of ethics is going to guide our development?
> What yardstick of wisdom will we use? Are we going to bring into
> reality what Timaeus and the Rig Veda warned of thousands of
> years ago? "
> 
> =========================
> 
> DTB
> 
> Brotherhood and compassion are the surest and most long-lasting
> guides to practical daily ethics. The enhancement of selfishness
> and viciousness is not. So says Theosophy, Buddhism, Hinduism,
> Christ's teachings are the same. They each to different past
> peoples, and in those times said and say the same timeless Truths
> and ethics. 
> 
> Why does vice forever pay tribute to virtue, and seeks to hide
> its ugly spirit beneath a cloak of benevolence and virtue? Why
> is LAW forever superior to Evil and viciousness ?
> 
> Perhaps the Timaeus and Rig Veda say what is true ? And this may
> be very unexciting to the personality. But only one who knows
> and studies them can answer that accurately. H P B gives us an
> example of this in ISIS UNVEILED II 537 
> 
> ============================
> 
> Best wishes,
> 
> Dallas
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