Theos-Talk Archives (July 2003 Message tt00205)

Hi Dallas + Janaki and all of you,

My views are:

Yes. Let us read the good scriptures - but also only when needed.
'When needed' is of course not when the egoistic nature demands it.

There are as we all know other scriptures of value than those mentioned by
Blavatsky.
It is illogical to think otherwise. Especially when we know, that The
Masters exists today -
more than 100 years past the creation of The Theosophical Society.

Jesus lived for sure. The power of the Christ was shining through as well.
You all have my word on that. I know about this.
But will such a reassurance help you ?

Wisdom can be imparted suddenly. But it often develops gradually.
While Blavatsky holds the teachings of Shankaracarya in high regard, she
will
have to agree on the Advaita doctrine of sudden enlightenment presented by
him.
I agree - on that years of development most often happens before such a
sudden event.
But the 'grace of God' is a great mystery - which only few will be able to
penetrate.
There can for sure also be more global karmic reason for early - karmic
releases and enlightenments of the individual.
Reasons that you don't know anything about, - yet.
'Never say never 007', my heartspy friend.

Yes. Not all of us are turtles. Some of us are rabbits.
Others drive long distances very fast in the wrong lane. (Smiles and
laughs.)


Did this help ?
Feel free comment...


from
M. Sufilight with peace and love...



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "dalval14" <dalval14@earthlink.net>
To: "AA-BN--Study" <study@blavatsky.net>
Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 11:39 AM
Subject: Theos-World RE: Jesus, Reform, Truth, illumination


> Thursday, July 17, 2003
>
> RE: Jesus, Reform, Truth, illumination
>
>
> Dear Janaki and Friends:

[cut short by M. Sufilight]

>
> One has to study the Theogony of those religions and their myths
> and stories (as Campbell did). If you read through ISIS UNVEILED
> you will find the keys given there. Those are continued in The
> SECRET DOCTRINE.
>
> It has to be individual study assiduously pursued, and each makes
> his own progress. No wisdom can be imparted suddenly. The
> student has to prepare him or herself. But, I can assure you the
> keys are there.
>
> Illumination, Initiation, realization are all descriptive in
> general of the ability we construct for ourselves to penetrate
> our own character, consciousness and latent capacities.
>
> The "turtle" story indicates immediately the limited but
> credulous nature of the disciple.
>
> It also suggests the means to change that to knowledge.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Dallas
>
> ======================
>
> Consider the following:
>
>
> WAS JESUS A REAL PERSON?
>
>

>
> Students are invited to seek for and make their own in-depth
> study for of all the keys H.P.B. gives out in her books: ISIS
> UNVEILED, SECRET DOCTRINE, and other of her numerous articles
> pertaining to the roots of Christianity, the pagan origins of
> Church rituals and dogmas ; of those Keys, we might mention: the
> Anthropological, Mystical, Historical, Astrological,
> Astronomical, Metaphysical, Cosmogonical, Psychical,
> Physiological, Numerical, Ethnological Keys she has furnished in
> respect to both Old and New Testaments, especially, the Book of
> Genesis, the Gospels and the Revelations, and some Kabalistic
> texts.
>
> =============================
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: pepi333@webtv.net [mailto:pepi333@webtv.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2003 7:12 AM
> To: Blavatsky_Study@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Blavatsky_Study] Fw: illumination
>
>
> Were there no inner sight or intuition, the Jews would never have
> had
> their Bible,
> ______________________________________
> I have never really understood how the Jewish Bible could be
> considered
> the result of illumination. The notion of deity that is presented
> is not
> of any high realization, but rather a tribal god, more often
> ruthless
> and barbaric than not. The laws commanded in the Bible are not
> admirable, but rather reflect the thinking of ancient tribal
> customs in
> which the horrible murder of millions of innocent animals is
> required to
> appeased a savage god. If illumination is somehow mirrored in the
> Bible,
> humanity would be better off to look for a higher standard.
> ______________________________________
> nor the Christians Jesus.
> ______________________________________
> From what I have read of Blavatsky, she suggests that nothing is
> known
> of a Jesus in the first century, and the notion of Jesus is based
> on a
> Jewish teacher who lived more than a hundred years earlier. So,
> if this
> is the Jesus you mean, we have not one line of his teachings, nor
> do we
> know anything about him that would indicate that he was a
> "realized
> soul." We do however have a mythical character that appears in
> the
> gospels, who is obviously a literary creation, with no history to
> support his existence, and who is nothing more than a hodge-podge
> of
> many mythical deities and demi-gods.
> ______________________________________
> What both Moses and Jesus gave to the world was the fruit of
> their
> intuition or illumination.
> ______________________________________
> I wonder what Moses gave to the world. According to Blavatsky,
> the
> Torah, the law of Moses, is only a couple hundred years older
> than the
> New Testament (Isis ii, 526). If that is the case, then certainly
> Moses
> could not have written it. On the other hand, if Moses made a
> decisive
> move in history, which we call the Exodus, then modern
> scholarship has
> failed to discover him, because the weight of the evidence is on
> the
> side of those who deny that the Exodus ever took place.
> ______________________________________
> What their subsequent elders and teachers allowed the world to
> understand was -- dogmatic misrepresentations, too often
> blasphemy.
> ______________________________________
> There is a story of a chela asking his guru about what supports
> the
> world. The guru says, "A great turtle." The chela asks, "Then
> what
> supports the turtle?"
>
> The guru replies, "Another turtle."
>
> The chela asks, "But what supports that turtle?"
> The guru again responds, "Another turtle."
>
> The chela starts to speak again, but the guru interrupts him to
> say,
> "It's turtles all the way down."
>
> ______________________________________
>
> The man who has conquered matter sufficiently to receive the
> direct
> light from his shining Augoeides feels truth intuitionally; he
> could not
> err in his judgment,
>
> ______________________________________
>
> I have noticed that all the religious illuminati claim that they
> cannot
> err in judgment, and yet they disagree so vehemently among
> themselves.
>
> One of the things that drew me to Blavatsky was her willingness
> to admit
> her fallibility from the beginning. I don't think we should claim
> infallibility until we are supported by the last turtle down.
>
> ______________________________________
> notwithstanding all the sophisms suggested by cold reason, for
> he
> is ILLUMINATED. Hence prophecy, vaticination, and the so-called
> Divine
> inspiration are simply the effects of this illumination from
> above by
> our own immortal spirit.
> ______________________________________
> I wouldn't sell reason too short. It may be one of the turtles
> too.
> And we may be just shuffling turtles here.
>
> Janaki
>
>
>
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