Theos-Talk Archives (July 2003 Message tt00190)

Hi. I see you folks went hog wild (for a while) but have since checked
yourselves. While skimming the digest, this
most interesting exchange caught my eye, and I notice some others have
picked up on it, also. See below:

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Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 2:17 AM
Subject: Theos-World Digest Number 1120


> There are 23 messages in this issue.

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> Message: 6
> Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 12:21:06 -0400
> From: "Bill Meredith" <bill_meredith@earthlink.net>
> Subject: Re: re "Re: What Is Happening In America?" (addendum)
>
> Hi Adelasie. Your writings are often inspirational.
>
> I wish to offer the possibility that "worry" itself is an insidious form
of
> suffering. So also, perhaps, are our "beliefs" based on our needful
> imaginings. To need is to suffer.

Wry: There are two different kinds of suffering. The suffering that results
from avoiding and the suffering of facing what one is avoiding. One kind of
suffering is
mechanical and the other kind of suffering is conscious. When someone does
something to me that thwarts me from my actions, which are generally based
on very intricate and complex set of movement away from feeling something
uncomfortable, this is the former, in that it
just happens when the buffering mechanism temporarily breaks down. To face
what is in the world, to stay with the objective
knowledge of it, the fact of what is going on, the sorrow of it, is
something
else, which connects me to conscience. It is a form of suffering that is
sacred, in the sense that it leads to right action.
To worry is an overworking and imbalance of the functions.
See below.
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>
> Bill
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "adelasie" <adelasie@surfari.net>
> To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2003 11:06 AM
> Subject: Re: Theos-World re "Re: What Is Happening In America?" (addendum)
>
>
> > Dear Leonardo,
> >
> > At first I thought this info was shocking. Then I started thinking
> > about some of the history of the Western world that I know of: Viking
> > marauders slaughtering families along the coast of Briton,
> > skulduggery and high political opportunism, with murder of opposition
> > by war or poisoning thrown in during the Italian Renaissance,
> > wholesale slaughter by any means, deception and destruction of the
> > Native American people by Western Europeans, and the list goes on.
> > Whatever lowdown black tactics are being used in politics these days,
> > (and I suspect it is the same everywhere, not just in the US) they
> > are nothing new.
> >
> > What I want to know is what do we do about it? Clearly things should
> > change. If we recognize the fact of reincarnation, we know that we
> > ourselves are the cyclic perpetrators of this generalized outrage
> > against Nature and its Law. And, of course, since we do not learn the
> > lessons, the payback keeps getting worse, the stakes get higher. Once
> > all we had to worry about was a bunch of guys with swords. Now we
> > have to worry about someone pushing a button which destroys a whole
> > city in an instant.
> >
> > We can take exception to your interpretation of the evidence it we
> > like. But whichever side we are on, whatever our point of view, we
> > come up with a whole lot of evidence that mankind is due for some
> > renovation of the heart. As far as I can see there is just no real
> > justification for making someone else suffer, period.

Wry: It does not matter what anyone thinks about this. People will do what
they do, no matter. They cannot change anything or stop themselves. It is
fascinating. To help people develop conscience would be an act of great
doing. Your conscience will tell you whether or not it is worth hurting one
Hitler to save a million people from burning in a fire. Each situation is
unique, and a person of discrimination (wisdom) will ultimately need to use
his own judgement.Again, people who make other people suffer do not care
what you think. . In my opinion, wiithout a certain kind and quality of
grip, the grip of conscience, nothing can be accomplished. "When you like a
rose, do not like it. When you do not like a rose, like it." How do we
develop conscience? It is by conscious suffering. Sincerely, Wry