Theos-Talk Archives (July 2003 Message tt00082)

Here is a list with commentary about the biographies of Krishnamurti,
for those interested in this subject.

I don't think that he thought that the Masters had abandoned him
either, but if he had publicly talked about them, he would never have
been able to talk about his own message.


The Inner Life of Krishnamurti, by Aryel Sanat, The Theosophical
Publishing House, P.O. Box 270, Wheaton, Il 60189-0270, 1999. ISBN
0-8356-0781-X www.theosophical.org
Mr. Sanat writes regularly on the Theos-Talk Yahoo mailing list.
This is the all around best book, if you understand the Kundalini,
and Occultism, or Mysticism. It gives the inner story and quotes of
Krishnamurti about the Masters, his background, the meaning of "The
Process", and Kundalini.



Lives in the Shadow with J. Krishnamurti, by Radha Rajagopal Sloss,
Addison-Wesley Publishing Co, 1991, ISBN 0-201-62701-9 Radha was the
daughter of the man who ran the Krishnamurti organization, and grew up
with him as an older adult in her household. You need to know about
Kundalini to be able to read her writings and read between the lines
to understand the Kundalini action, and its and the Tulku connection.


Krishnamurti, by Pupul Jayakar, Pub Harper & Row 1986, ISBN
0-06-250401-0
Pupul was a prominent philosopher and politician in India who met and
became a close friend of K. and observed him reacting to the Kundalini
influence, and the TULKU overshadowing of the Masters.
Originally she did not have a high regard for Theosophy, and so had
no knowledge of Krishnamurti's background. She does not understand
what is happening, but puts down what happens objectivly. So if you
know the Kundalini, and the Tulku/Avesa process, the overshadoing that
has happened to HPB, & Krishnamurti, you can read this book, read
between the lines, and it is an excellent example of the Kundalini
awakening. Evidently Krishnamurti's process was a more intense
experience than most people have.
(P. 45) is a description of kundalini opening process in detail.
Krishnamurti writes to Annie Besant about the process. She is confused
at it. Krishnamurti idendifies both the Masters KH, and DK as
directors (on the other side) of the process. Only he can see them.
When they are not there, they bring in another man to watch the body,
much as they did with HPB during her life 75 years earlier. At times
the Lord Maitrea visits to monitor the progress. Krishnamurti keeps
apologizing to them over the body's inability to stand the pain that
the process involves. Krishnamurti seems to be holding conversations
with 2 or 3 other people in the room that only he can see. Often they
all leave, leaving a child-like personality in charge of the body,
(probably - in my opinion- a personification of the Sub-concousness) -
the intelligence of the physical body. It can see and describe
Krishnamurti, and the others, but dosen't know where they go, or when
he will be back.
There is the usual pain, sensitivity to touch, the seeing every speck
of dust and dirt in the environment, the switching of the light to
sound, and seeing sound. (I have done that), and many other phenomena.
The Krishnamurti Foundation sells tapes and videos, as well as books
and pamphlets. I have one of the Videos of Krishnamurti in a dialog
with Pupul Jayakar. At times they are shown in public, and on PBS TV
stations.



A Series by the same author:

Krishnamurti: The Years of Awakening, by Mary Lutyens, Avon Books,
1975 ISBN 0-380-00734-7

Krishnamurti: The Years of Fulfilment, by Mary Lutyens, Avon Books,
1983, ISBN 0-380-68007-6
Long passages of the Kundlini process working. He displays multiple
personalities, one of them a child-like personality who is evidently
left to take care of the body while Krishnamurti and the Masters are
gone on some errand, One who supervises the whole operation, and two
or 3 Masters who monitor and direct the operation from the other side.
The point of the operation is to raise the kundalini, and cleanse the
body and brain, and to energise it to the point that a far greater and
more powerful entity can use it for the talks that Krishnamurti gives.
The body needs to evolved to a higher plane so that the great entity,
Maitrea, can use the body without burning it out, like a lightbulb
exposed to a high voltage.
(P.180), His brother wrote to CWL, Oct. 2, 1922, about Krishnamurti's
sickness & says that they had concluded that the kundalini was being
awakened.

Krishnamurti : The Open Door, by Mary Lutyens, Farrar Straus Giroux,
New York, 1988. ISBN 0-374-18225-6


The definitive work on Tulku, Avesa, and "Walk-Ins".
H.B. Blavatsky, Tibet and Tulku, by Geoffrey A Barborka, The
Theosophical Publishing House, Wheaton, Adyar, 1966, ISBN
81-7059-008-6 (cloth) & 81-7059-009-4 (paper).

Tulku is the process by which the Adept transfers his consciousness to
another physical body, and is how the Tibetan Lamas are consciously
reborn to take up the same duties in a new body. The Dali and Tasha
Lamas are supposed to be the same soul being reborn to take up the
same office and duties as the soul that inhabited the body did 1000
years ago, or more. The conscious control of Kundalini seems to be
involved in the process.

Mr. Barborka writes occasionally in some of the Blavatsky, and/or
Theosophy Yahoo lists.

Ruth Montgomery wrote a book a few years ago in which she described
the process (apparently a natural human process) where a soul which
has not finished its time on earth, takes over a physical body in a
coma, or clinically dead, and re-animates it, often that of a child.
She coined the term "Walk-In" to label it.

Modern examples include "Anastasia", the Russian Princess who was
murdered with the last Russian royal family, by the Communists, going
to the body of an unhappy Polish girl who had tried to commit suicide
by jumping off a bridge. The body was in a coma for a time, and then
when she regained consciousness, she had an entirely different
personality, and the memories of the Russian Princess. Later in life,
when DNA testing was invented, they took DNA samples of the Polish
family, and the European Royal Family, and determined that the body
belonged to the Polish family, and had no linkage to the Royals
whatsoever.

**
Then there was the English girl, Dorothy Eady, about 4, who fell down
stairs one day, and went into a coma, and was pronounced dead by the
doctor. As he went to fill out the death certificate, however, she
regained consciousness, and wanted to be taken home. She was already
in the home of the body. She was unhappy till they visited the British
Museum, and visited the Egyptian section. She wanted to stay there, as
she thought that this was closest to the home that she remembered that
she had seen. She was shocked, however, at how beat-up the statues and
artifacts were, as they were all new as she remembered them.

Omm Sety, (1904-1981)

When she was growing up, she spent as much time in the museum as
possible, & got to know the officials, and re-learned the
Hieroglyphics, and as an adult, she went to Egypt, and lived there.
She became an authority on the ancient buildings and customs, and
married and lived there. She became known as OM-SETI, (mother of
Seti). She appeared in several of the documentaries about ancient
Egypt, was written about in books, and wrote some herself, and died a
couple of years ago, never able to get back to the civilization that
she remembered from her youth, thousands of years ago.

She was written about in THE SEARCH FOR OMM SETY, by Jonathan Cott,
Doubleday & Co, 1987, ISBN 0-385-23746-4

She co-authored with Hanny El Zeini, the book ABYDOS: HOLY CITY OF
ANCIENT EGYPT
pub. L.L. Company, ISBN 0-937892-07-6, is a large format book with
text and lots of pictures.

***
William Q. Judge, also was declared dead, when a small child, and then
came back to life again. When he died, he could not read, but when he
woke up, he could read, and just wanted to read mystical topics. He
grew up to become one of the 20 odd people in New York city in 1875 to
found the Theosophical Society, along with H. P. Blavatsky, and Henry
Olcott.


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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Katinka Hesselink" <mail@katinkahesselink.net>
To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2003 7:16 AM
Subject: Re: Theos-World direct insight (krishnamurti and the white
brotherhood)


> Hi Morten,
> --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Morten Nymann Olesen" <global-
> theosophy@a...> wrote:
> > The short conclusion I get is:
> > So publicly Krishnamurti denied the existence of the Masters and
> the Path.
> > And privately he is - assumed ? or known ? - to have agreed to the
> > opposite view ?
> > Is this your view and others view ?
> Well, I don't know where he publicly denied there existence. He did
> repeatedly say it was unimportant, I think.
> For instance he says:
> "What you think of the Master is not what it is. They personalized
> something immense into personalities."
> http://www.katinkahesselink.net/arch/krishnaj.htm
> (talk 1980)
> > So i ask, what do you think about this the following part of the
> text taken
> > from the same link
> >
>
http://www.alpheus.org/html/source_materials/krishnamurti/truth_about_
> k.html
> > .
> >
> > Is it true ?:
> I think this whole story has the taste of what Krishnamurti disliked
> in how the myth of the masters has been treated (within and outside
> the Theosophical Movement) - merely having relations with masters
who
> can't talk back, because the person involved is only seeing them
> clairvoyantly. So even if some real contact is at the base of such
> experiences, it is very possible, if not likely that the person
> reporting the conversation has heavily edited it, without the
Masters
> being able to correct any misunderstandings.