Theos-Talk Archives (July 2003 Message tt00052)

Hi Morton. If you ignore me maybe I will go away (for a while). I cannot
recall ever saying I was a teacher on here, and do not even think of myself
in this way, though, in truth, I believe I understand a lot then most, if
not all, of you, and, to me, you are a little bit like children, some a lot
more grown up than others (and I am little partial to the older children, I
admit, which group I will not say whether or not I consider you to be a
member of, as I do not wish to stir you up any further). Also, you, not I,
seem to be the one who is preoccupied with the idea of teachers. Speaking of
conditioning, the more you talk about me as being a teacher, the more I am
starting to think of myself as such (ha ha), but do not worry, if I ever did
become a teacher, which I am actually about to do, as I am starting a
learning center in my home location, I would not choose chaotic conditions
such as exist on this list, to work in, as there would have to be a certain
order established for a certain kind and quality of teaching to even begin.

Re the story below of the mouse and the honey, perhaps it has not occurred
to you, but sometimes, in order to create certain conditions for a certain
kind of learning to occur it might be necessary to put a mouse in the honey,
or even to pretend that one had fallen in. Of course, as long as you (or I)
have negative emotions which can be stimulated at the drop of a pin, there
will always be an imperfection in the honey, but this is a complex subject.
In any case, though I am from the honey-makers, I cannot make honey by
myself, as that is a practical impossibility. Why do you always think of
everything as outside of you?

As far as my comment about you below, I made this before it began to dawn on
me that you were using other people's material and attributing it to
yourself by presenting it such a way that it appeared as your own, which is
a form of plagiarism.

As far as teachers go, people are drawn to whoever takes their pain away by
giving them honey. It is a fact, and most saddening. There are also
different kinds and qualities of honey for different kinds of people. And
isn't it a fact that if you have to go through brambles to get a certain
honey, it will taste different to you than if you are eating it everyday,
and also if you are eating it everyday, it will rot your teeth to the extent
that you will not be able to grip the meat, and will become very weak. Maybe
there is another kind of honey which will not take your strength away, but
you personally cannot get it from the honey-makers, as we do not and cannot
give it out in the way I am sure you would like to receive it, spoon fed to
you by another while you are sitting in your highchair. Nothing is for free
in this world except perhaps a daydream, but even when you dream, you will
have to sacrifice something else in exchange for it.

Finally, you have said "Wry was right on saying that the story of the "Two
Swords" was about emotions." I have NOT said anything of the kind. This
story is not about that, plus you have attributed this to yourself, and I do
not believe it is your own material. You have helped me write some good
messages on here, I acknowledge, and it has been interesting, and a learning
experience for me, but unless, you can engage me with something very
intriguing, I will need to be leaving for awhile, as I have found another
location where people are more honest (not to imply that all of the people
on here are not honest).

What is a good teacher? A good teacher does not put himself up as an
authority and does not deal in beliefs. (We will get to this later, when I
come back, as we have a problematic situation re theosophy, which will
eventually need to be resolved in order for the potential here to flower).
In my opinion, a good teacher is someone who gives the most perfect
verification model of physical reality that is humanly possible and inspires
people to practice it, by going against all their inner tendencies to take
the easy way out and live their lives in a lazy dream. This teacher also
presents material in such a way that people need to develop an active force
in order to assimilate it, and by assimilating it, will begin to develop
such a force, while at the same time, begin to develop their reason to an
objective grade. This same teacher will also set up situations so that
people can begin to participate from a common ground, each for the other, as
well as for himself. In order to work with me in the future, always bring
your salt shaker, and never forget you have it with you. I am not a teacher
(unless you send me some money by paypal-ha-ha), but this is, as Bill has
said, a forum for a certain kind of theater. Theater can be a very rich and
interesting medium, if it is a conscious theater, and certain very
interesting and important material can only be presented in such a format.
Sincerely, Wry


----- Original Message -----
From: "Morten Nymann Olesen" <global-theosophy@adslhome.dk>
To: "Theos Talk" <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, July 04, 2003 2:32 AM
Subject: Theos-World What a teacher is...(Wry ?)


> Hi all of you,
>
> My views are only views and that is a fact:
>
> Here is a little something:
>
>
> What a teacher is
>
> The world is full of teachers, people who collect disciples or
> who in various ways instruct others.
>
> Now the wonderful thing about all this is that very few people
> ask what the teacher knows about teaching. The act of behaving
> like a teacher, or rather like people think a teacher would
> behave, establishes them.
>
> If a teacher is not what he appears to be, how is he or she to be
> defined?
> Try this: an ancient statement which is found in teaching
> materials such as Tale of the City of Brass, in the book "Thousand
> and One Nights":
>
>
> I AM
>
> A real teacher was asked how it was that he could teach, and he
> answered:
>
> I am what you will be:
> What you are, I once was.
>
>
>
> Now the readers must by now I think be certain about that I do like Wry
very much.
>
> Wry previously stated in an answer to Bill Meredith here at Theos-Talk
that:
> "Also, everyone, I am the complete emergence of Morton from his cocoon. I
am
> not sure what kind of moth he going to be, but, quite honestly, this is a
> phenomena I have never seen the likes of, and I will need to wait and see
> how things unfold before I proceed any further, as I will have to make
> compensations for this not necessarily unfavorable, but very bizarre,
> development, and factor this into my future activity."
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/theos-talk/message/12383
>
> So I think I am entitle to ask, what does Wry know about teaching ?
> Even if I am a Cocoon and a bizarre case !
>
>
> On M. Sufilight - who I am:
> I am not a teacher because I am not presently at a level where I can teach
> you all at the distance. But the stories I write - are wellmeant.
> Wry was right on saying, that the story about "Two Swords" is about
emotions.
> Now I degrade myself a little - and let us see what happens...
>
>
> from
> M. Sufilight with peace and love...
>
>
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