Theos-Talk Archives (July 2003 Message tt00003)

Tuesday, July 01, 2003

RE: to Dallas re PARAMATMA -- ABSOLUTENESS

Dear Jerry:

I do understand you and your thesis.

I sense however that it is most difficult to explain in our
"lower-manasic" terms that which pertains to ATMA-BUDHI.

Everything we sense is limited in dimensions as to time, space
and motion relations. The transcendent or metaphysical, is not.
The only relation we can grasp at (if I am correct) is infinite,
impersonal, lawful and just, INTELLIGENT COMPASSION. A Monad
which has reached this stage of cognizance sees both sides: the
Manifested and the Non-manifested. He knows his SOURCES, and his
limitations, and devotes his life to service of other Monads who
are traversing the fields of experience. [Example: the GREAT
SACRIFICE, S D I 207-8]

Also there cannot be a "creator." That would invoke, sooner or
later, the debasing idea of a "personal God." --and special
favors to be obtained by sycophantic devotees, at the whim of an
absolute TYRANT. Not a satisfactory picture of an "omnipresence,
omniscience and omnipotence," I think. That also leads to the
prevalent and many forms of religion, where truly ignorant
"priests" mislead their flocks, and prevent, and discourage
freedom of thought and research. Wisdom is GOD-LIKE KNOWLEDGE
used generously and with compassion for the benefit of all who
ask. Krishna, Budha, Jesus, and all other truly GREAT ONES
invariably do this, but are widely unrecognized and their
sacrifice is soon distorted and negated. Example: what kind of a
civilization would we have now if the injunctions of Jesus (as
an example) were truly used and rigorously applied by everyone?
[ Most of us laugh at this and scoff, and call it impractical --
but, why ? What is so terrible, or so peculiarly funny and
childishly naive about it? ]

Karma, as endless and undefinable time, motion, and space, is
like MAHA-VISHNU (Krishna) in the BHAGAVAD GITA It is always
engaged in WISE ACTION. Hence, it pervades, sustains, emanates;
but as a primal SOURCE, or CAUSE, it is inscrutable. And as
Krishna is made to say by Valmiki: "I established this whole
universe out of a portion of myself and remain separate"

As you say: IT IS.

OK ?

Dallas

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-----Original Message-----
From: G S
Sent: Monday, June 30, 2003 1:22 PM
To:
Subject: Re to Dallas

<<<As a principle she declares that metaphysically (as phrased in
Hindu sacred literature) the ONE ABSOLUTE SPIRIT desired to know
itself. Accordingly it provided the contrast of a "mirror" or,
matter.>>>

Dallas, your reference to Blavatsky, while correct, is
misapplied. She is talking about spirit and matter, both of which
are within our 7-plane solar system, and both of which are
mayavic and are conditionally real.

The "one Absolute Spirit" is paramatman, and indeed it desires to
define itself and its not-self, and it is this desire that leads
to manifestation on the lower planes.

But I have been talking about the 1 from the 0 in the sense of
manifestation (which includes both spirit and matter) coming from
Beness. My thesis is that it cannot do so. The manifested planes
do not need a creator, because karma itself can produce an
endless series of manvantaras. And Beness is outside of time,
where t=0, and so cannot "do" anything at all except be (which is
exactly why Blavatsky called it beness).

Jerry S.