Theos-Talk Archives (June 2003 Message tt00293)

----- Original Message -----
From: <leonmaurer@aol.com>
To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 2:06 PM
Subject: Re: Theos-World Recruitment and education...


............>As for seeing ourselves as we are, none of
> the reflections on this forum can get anywhere near to what we can see
from
> our own spiritual "observation" point. (And we don't need any "wry"
person to
> tell us how to interpret such an unbiased and time appropriate view.)


Wry: I agree with the above, Leoan, in that pointing out by someone of a
certain aspect of someone else to that someone else has nothing to do with
the exercise of impartial self-observation.I have encountered groups of
people who do point out aspects of the personality to each other, and one
group which has actually named the so called technique of doing this,
"taking snapshots." Again, this has nothing to do with the exercise of
impartial self-observation. But when you talk about an obversation point as
spiritual, this is misleading, as that is a subjective evaluation and
interpretation that should not be mixed up with doing this exercise, not to
imply you are even doing it. Something impartial has no opinion. It records
"you" without evaluating or prefering what it sees in any way. "You" do not
record it. As far as telling you "how to interpret such an unbiased and time
appropriate view," you have little to no understanding of this simple
exercise, whereas it is obvious, from what Bill has written in the past,
that he not only graps the basic concept but has actually applied it. Number
one: I have never done anything that remotely resembles telling anyone how
to interpret data that is recorded about themselves, in that I have
specifically nad consistently told people NOT to interpret it, re doing such
an exercise, as if you interpret any data, it is not doing the exercise.
Number two: An unbiased view, as you put it, is NOT "time-appropiate," in
that it is just a recording of what is. In that there is no evaluation, i.e,
comparing one thing to another by using the mental function, it does not
relate to being or not being time-appropriate.

> the "real theosophical work" can only be done in the real world with
ordinary
> people who have no theosophical pretensions, and not among those who think
> they are speaking for HPB or the Masters while washing their own egos. As
I see
> it, the only useful purpose of a theosophical forum such as this one is
for
> learning the fundamental truths of theosophy and using them in the works
that
> we do in spread broadcasting its values to the rest of the world at large.
> When there's nothing left to teach or learn here, maybe it's time for us
to step
> aside and get back to the real work.

Wry: Maybe it is time for you to exit. In my personal opinion, you do not
belong on this theosophy list at this time. As far as real work, you do not
understand the meaning of work..

>.(Except for some lightening up and
> funning around. :-) From now on, all I'll have time for (being wrapped up
in a
> major "public works project" of theosophical importance)

Wry: Oh yeah.

is reading and answering
> letters addressed to me (or that pick on any of my friends or other "true
> theosophists"). For those who want to know who I am, what I've been and
done, and
> get a faint inkling of what "important theosophical project" I am working
on
> now (and hope to be finished before I'm 89) go to my web site and track me
> down at:
> http://users.aol.com/leonmaurer/LHM.index.html (In this world, while I've
> got a lot of related names, I've got nothing to hide and no place to
run.:-)

Wry: You have plently to hide, and have behaved disgracefully. You have been
accused of plagarism on another list, and apparently have quite a bad
reputatation on some other lists. You seem to be going around the internet
giving a bad name to theosophy (not that I particularly care, but in a way,
I do) Also, you have done something I consider to be reprehensible and
totally immoral in that you have used different identities and deceived
people, which is dishonest and cheapens and degrades the whole tone and
quality of what is happening.. You have actually written messages on here to
me using a false identity, but worse, much worse, you posted one of these
messages on another theosophy list and said you thought people might like to
know what someone on this list was saying about me. I did not make a big
issue about this at the time, as it was so disgusting I could not even get
into it. I consider you to be a fanatic, and, in my opinion, you cannot be
doing anything to further the understanding of anybody re theosophy, not in
that your view is so unbalanced and also immature, which seems to be the
case with many, but not all, theosophists I have encountered, but in that
there appears to be an intense, agressive driving force, behind all of this,
which , when connected to a ludicrous misunderstanding of simple ideas,
perpetrates ignorance, dogmatism and authority. Sincerely, Wry


>
> Best regards,
>
> LHM
>
>
> In a message dated 06/27/03 9:45:06 AM, bill_meredith@earthlink.net
writes:
>
> >hehehe. As you go off into the netherland of "some really important
>
> >theosophical work" let me get your coat and show you to the door. There
is
>
> >a total disconnect between the way you treat people on these various
lists
>
> >and the way you say you expect people to be treated. This disconnect is
so
>
> >great that it leads me to conclude that you do not see yourself as you
>
> >really are at all. Perhaps you should try Wry's "observer" activities
for a
>
> >time. You say: "People picking on people is no way to discuss
theosophy --
>
> >or any other matter for that matter", and yet picking on people is what
you
>
> do best and most often.
>
>
> >I am not going to take your crap anymore. If you want a piece of me, we
can
>
> >meet tonight on the sunny side of Venus (astral plane of course) and I
will
>
> >kick your astral ass. hehehe
>
>
> >Meredith
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: <leonmaurer@aol.com>
>
> To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
>
> Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 6:06 AM
>
> Subject: Re: Theos-World Recruitment and education...
>
>
>
> > Well, at least your sense of humor is still intact. It finally puts the
cap
>
> > on all these senseless conversations between all those people mentioned.
>
> >As for me, you don't have to worry. I'm getting too busy with some
really
>
> > important theosophical work to take the time to read all the nonsense
> that's
> >
> been floating around here lately (except maybe for a few gems from guys
> > like Dallas). People picking on people is no way to discuss theosophy --
or
> > any othernmatter for that matter. From here on out, it's your show.
> >Or wry's, if she gets her 200 disciples online here -- which I seriously
> > doubt judging by the quality of the primative ideas bandied around as if
>
> > that's all there is to theosophy.
>
> > (Making jokes is another matter altogether, and if there was more of
that
>
> > maybe I'd stick around for awhile.:-)
>
> >
>
>
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