Theos-Talk Archives (June 2003 Message tt00128)

Monday, June 16, 2003

Re: Clones - What are their Karma?


Dear Stella and friends:

As I understand it from studying Theosophy. There are 3 lines of
evolution that conjoin in Man. This is the natural process of
evolution. And it does not seem to be an unnatural process of
experimentally of producing from basic cells the growth of a
body, without mind or animating "soul."

In other words you have a FORM (which nature produces according
to the laws of growth innate in the physical cells -- GAMETES).
But the missing factors are: 2. the Intellect (mind); and 1.
the Immoral SPIRIT / SELF.

One has to realize that the body alone does not make or represent
the SPIRIT IN MAN, nor even his MIND. The physical body is the
lowest of the principles and is their vehicle.

In SECRET DOCTRINE I 181 H P B gives the 3 lines:

1. Spiritual

2. Intellectual

3. Physical.


She then gives details in the 1st Vol. of the S D showing how the
physical body of man was evolved by "natural impulse" [ S D I
224, II 1, 150, 157fn, 225, 254, 257, in the first half of the
evolutionary cycle. Natural impulse [the physical] can only carry
it so far, then the Mind and the Spirit have to become
cooperative.

At the mid point, about 18,000,000 + years ago [S D I 150 fn,
157, 251], the Mind faculty in humanity was "lit up" [ S D I
233-4, 247, 609; II 69, 254-5, 272, 660] by Wise Men of great
Wisdom, so that the human Mind would be fully united to its
parent, the SPIRIT. These Great Souls ( Dhyan Chohans, Buddhas,
Mahatmas and Adepts who had "awakened" and become Men of Wisdom
in previous evolutionary Manvantaras. Those are referred to with
great reverence as the "Fathers of the Race." [ see S D I
272-3 ]

We are, as humanity, in the position now of discovering the
Powers of the Mind, and its Laws. We are also made aware of the
delusion causing impact on our minds of the emotional nature,
desires and passions. This "desire and passion principle" is a
separate principle from the Mind (Manas) and is called "Kama."

Mind (Manas) is the active link between the emotions (Kama) and
the Wisdom of Buddhi.

The physical clone would appear to be limited to the physical
side (short-lived) of a physical body, and is unprepared by
natural evolution to entirely protect itself. It lives, if at
all (as there are far more failures than successes in producing
these) a very short physical life.

Paracelsus (15th Century) is reputed to have made "homunculi."
He used the mysterious alkahest, and caused an "elemental" to
animate it.. [ S D I 345, II 27fn, 120-1, 349, 376 Isis I
465, 485, II 33-4; Glos. 204; H P B Articles, Vol. II, pp.
262, 337; ]

I hope this will explain the situation. But if there are further
questions, please ask.

Best wishes,

Dallas

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-----Original Message-----
From: . Stella
Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2003 9:24 PM
To:
Subject: [bn-study] Cloned Karma?

On a strangely similar note to the current karma
discussion, I've come across a passage in Judge's
Ocean of Theosophy:

"The body [...] left to itself it is devoid of sense,
and acts in such a case solely by reflex and automatic
action." (p.39)

This made me wonder if beings cloned by our modern
technology would be capable of possessing sense (from
whence would it originate?) as well as if they would
subjected to karma.

I would be very grateful for others' input on this.

Thank you in advance,
~ Stella