Theos-Talk Archives (May 2003 Message tt00222)

Sorry for the delay in posting this response, but it got lost in my mail to 
send box along with many other letters I had piled up since I began working on 
a new architectural design project. 

Mauri wrote:

L<<<So long as this Cosmos exists, that separate 
zero-point of consciousness that we consider our 
individual self, will continue to exist -- since its 
memory will remain in the zero-point spinergy of its 
origin -- which is (with relation to this Cosmos) eternal. 
>>>
G<<I can't agree with this. It eliminates the possibility 
of liberation. Anyone can liberate themselves from 
karma and maya at any time, and the Cosmos will keep 
right on going for those left within it. As individuals, 
we enter manifestation at some point and leave at some
point, while manifestation itself keeps right on going 
without beginning or end.>>

[Mauri:] But, (possibly?), "individual self" might be defined in such various 
ways that ... Whatever ... Of course (?), 
on the other hand, in a "reality" where there are no 
"other hands," well ... how could we have "which gave 
it beings" or comparisons of any kind ... ^:-) ... I tend to 
agree with Gerald's response.
Speculatively,
Mauri>>>

[Leon] Why? (Although, I appreciate that such acceptance is only 
"speculatively." :-) Actually, Gerald's statement, while correct in part, is confusing 
the manifestation with the primal force that empowers it. This force is in the 
form of eternal spin motion that has the ability, due to its infinite 
malleability, to retain the encoded memories of all phenomenal experiences forever. 
It's why a Master or Buddha can remember all his past lives down to the finest 
detail -- from the first separated fundamental particle of his initial 
manifestation up until his present life as a human being. Therefore, this permanence 
of the memories of karma does not eliminate the possibility of liberation. 

Thus, while we can mitigate bad karma by counteraction of its action, we 
cannot remove the memory of that previous action from the Akashic record. Why? Beca
use that record is encoded within the interference patterns of the eternal 
spinergy's, or non dimensional angular momentum's -- assigned, specifically, to 
our "forever conscious" individual "zero-point" origin of being... That, 
forever, remains distinct from all other manifested zero-point beings... Like a 
particular molecule of water in the ocean, or a single atom of oxygen in the air. 
Remember, since motion never ceases, the laws of conservation are universal, 
and therefore, the Absolute must keep perfect records, in its own nature, of 
its most minute and subtle action-reaction. 

Therefore, even though it is possible to transcend karma by lifting our 
consciousness onto the higher plane and entering Nirvana -- if we wish to return to 
life on the lower plane, our physical body and its 5 lower principles will 
continue to suffer the effects of all past karma that has not yet been rectified 
or neutralized by direct counteraction. That is why the enlightened 
Bodhisattva -- while capable of transcending karma in Nirvana, accepts the karma of 
all beings and, thereby, continues to suffer in his own body for their sins, so 
to speak... ("Sins," which are really no different from the accumulated bad 
karma of all the Sage's past lives.) 

It's interesting that many of the great teachers of mankind, while fully 
enlightened Adepts, if not Buddha's or perfect Masters, suffered some degree of 
debilitating diseases or early, if not painful deaths. So, as long as such a 
Master, or fully enlightened one remains in a body, that body will continue to 
suffer its past karma until it is fully counteracted, mitigated, or resolved. 
(According to Kabbala, a deep felt recall to consciousness of such actions and 
an experiencing of their effects, along with a sincere vow of repentance and 
restitution could be sufficient.) In that sense, Jerry is right -- since 
anyone could practice this once they have understood the fundamental nature of 
reality, achieved self realization, and attained total recall. That's not so 
simple, though, and not everyone can handle it. Meeting the "dweller on the 
threshold" and letting him tear your guts out, is no fun at all. You'd be surprised 
at how much evil has been done in one's past lives that one wouldn't find 
easy to face and experience in reverse.

But, if the law determines that nothing is separate, then we cannot separate 
the zero-point of individualized consciousness from it own spinergy ray which 
is a part of the spinergy of the ALL consciousness. Therefore, while the 
"idea" or "feeling" of being a "separate" self is an illusion (separate from the 
Krishna Self that is), the actuality of being an individual "zero-point" of 
self consciousness moving on a particular line of free choice karmic action, is 
as real as the ocean of consciousness that gave it birth. 

So long as one chooses to stay on this individually self chosen path of 
karma, one's self will be subject to its rules of action<=>reaction, 
cause<=>effect. Losing oneself in Nirvana is the only escape. But the pay-back is the 
total loss of one's state of humanity on the path to true self conscious 
awareness, and the bliss of being one with all of harmonious nature and enjoying the 
beauty of all its ingenious and creative twists and turns, as well as 
participating in the creation of even more beautiful combinations of ultimate truth. 

But, everyone to his own idea of joyful (mindful) or joyless (mindless) 
"bliss." :-) Universal brotherhood, then, is simply being in tune with harmonious 
nature and loving all its wonderful creations. But that doesn't mean you can't 
try to straighten out those disharmonious creations that have gone wrong and 
act as a cancer on all the rest, as well as help those that have strayed from 
the path and/or need a boost along the way.

So, as I said before, there is no free lunch. And karma, as an immutable 
law, dictates that everything that goes around comes around, and as one sows, so 
shall one reap in one way or another. That is, should one choose to continue 
living in this world -- or out of it, totally annihilated as an unfeeling non 
entity -- or both. 

Why do some people who think that physical death is the end of life, feel 
that they are punishing a criminal by killing him? (If he never repents, what 
good does it do?) Or, if they die, they are dead forever? In the eye of 
universal consciousness, the loss of life is the ultimate loss of all beauty and 
truth. Isn't it funny that when anyone becomes at-one-ment with the ALL, he also 
becomes separate from everyone else? ;-) 

But, if one chooses to avoid karma, and upon enlightenment, chooses to remain 
forever in Nirvana -- that escape will last only to the end of the 
manvantara... And the same "individuality" will emerge again at the next manvantara to 
start all over on the path of existence, from particle to man (if he is lucky 
enough not to end up in the heart of a sun, or as a mote in someone's eye). 
It's a fact that the LAWGIVER (our individual Self) confirms, when he says, 
"Everything that was or is -- will forever be with ME ... But, I will always be sep
arate and alone with my SELF." Forever alone and forever apart... How's that, 
for the perverse irony of total existence?

So, thanks, and no thanks. We have no choice, but to do it alone, and all by 
ourselves (with a little bit of help from our friends). </:-)> 

Best wishes,

LHM