Theos-Talk Archives (May 2003 Message tt00145)

Dallas wrote: <<The question of starting. I think 
there are two. The "start in this life, and 2, the "start 
that began a long way back in the past when we
began our quest for wisdom? Would you agree, or do 
you set reincarnation aside 
Dal >>

Dallas, I was trying not to refer to exoterics, "ordinary 
reality," or karmic/mayavic trends exclusively when I 
wrote that ""Thesophy starts with REALITY," Dallas, 
etc" post (reposted below) kind of tongue-in-cheek. 
I've been speculating that reading between the lines 
(in keeping with whatever karmic/exoteric, interpretive 
version, at any rate) might interest some people on 
these lists, so ... But seems that we all read between 
the lines in our own various ways. From my 
perspective, Dallas, your response to that post, and 
others, tends to suggest to me that we seem to be 
"reading between the lines" (if that's an applicable 
description in this case?) somewhat differently. Your 
words re "starting" with respect to "the past" in terms 
of "reincarnation" seems, to me, part of exoteric, 
karmic/mayavic realities of the kind that some people 
on these lists might be interested in transcending, 
rather than just interested in studying about them (and 
thereby adding to their collection of karma)---ie, not 
that introductory studies aren't introductory studies, 
and "helpful," often enough, but/"but"... 

<<Do some people prefer to "believe," by way of 
whatever karmic tendency, that Theosophy can 
(optionally?) be seen to somewhow "start with 
REALITY" in the sense that that "start" could be 
(somehow?) seen to "represent REALITY" as 
compared to ... what? So is there a Start/Beness 
(say?) that's transcendental, yet "Theosophic," yet 
transcends karma/maya? That's not being a little 
presumptuous, in a way? What am I overlooking 
here?

Seems to me as if you might be saying, Dallas, that you 
might tend to prefer to "START " your 
knowledge-base of (not just "study of"?) Theosophy 
with some kind of (somewhat ready-made?) 
"REALITY beliefs" (more or less right off some kind 
of bat, without so much as ... ?)... 

In other words, one might wonder (?) if that kind of 
"START" (in one's mind) might be seen to somehow 
"get going" before one has even as much as had a 
chance to define/interpret (by way of whatever 
karmic/mayavic tendency) that kind of "STARTING 
REALITY"... 

Or could one "sensibly enough" refer to or believe in 
some kind of "Theosophic" "STARTING REALITY" 
(by way of some kind of "intuitive tendency," say?), 
which kind of "STARTING REALITY" (might be 
seen to?) somewhow, in some sense, transcend 
karma/maya (in spite of being karmic and mayavic, at 
the same time?)? Or ... And if by "REALTY"
one refers to some form of "REAL-TY," say ... Hmm ...

Speculatively,
Mauri>>