Theos-Talk Archives (May 2003 Message tt00007)

Friday, May 02, 2003

Re "Consciousness" and "Transcendence"


Dear Friends

As I understand it, "Transcendence" does not mean going away in
any new place, plane or set of conditions, but means an
understanding, and a grasp of the conditions prevalent in f many
places and conditions, as for instance: "dreams," "trance,"
"visions,"
altered states of consciousness." Apparently all we have to deal
with at present are occasional memories, and those are imprecise.

Perhaps Transcendence means and implies: "precision?"
Knowledge, and also thee WISDOM to know what to do and how to
handle.

The CONSCIOUSNESS is always ONE. But apparently we are expected
to learn how to handle the conditions that we are in while we are
"awake" and able to make "independent choices."

Our study would then revolve around:

What and who am I ?
What do I know about my environment?
What are my personal tools? Body, feeling, mind, instinct,
reasoning, logic, intuition, character, interests, desires,
aversions, etc...
Can we secure accurate interpretations of what these cover?
How would they apply to us? To others? Are there any norms?
What are my impediments?
What are my enthusiasms, my "need to know?"
What is my environment?
What facts do I know, and what is unclear?
Are there any accounts of previous inquiries?
Can they be selected reviewed, codified?
What part does history play? Sciences, arts, religions,
philosophies....
Shall I limit my survey of knowledge? If so, how, where and why
?

Do I have time to begin and to proceed some distance in this kind
of work? If my life is short, can I somehow secure a
"carry-over?"

Best wishes,

Dallas

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-----Original Message-----
From: Bill M
Sent:	Friday, May 02, 2003 5:39 PM
Subject:	Re:... and Dallas ...


From: "Mauri
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 2:19 PM

> Dallas wrote: <<If you seek "transcendence" I say:
> transcendence of what? Why ? Where do you hope to
> go mentally or with some desire for experience? Get
> those down clearly as a first.>>

So long as one seeks to control the mechanism of transcendence
and
subjugate that which cannot be objectified within traditional
space and
matter concepts, one will inevitably ask (exoterize) such
questions.

> I don't see how anybody can transcend karma by
> exoterizing that "what," since that kind of "what" isn't
> a product of karma.

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Can we be intuitively aware of "what" remains when the chains of
karma are
nullified by transcendence? Or have I asked the question from
the wrong
side of transcendence?	Bill