Theos-Talk Archives (April 2003 Message tt00188)

Wednesday, April 30, 2003

Dear Mauri:

You ask

Why do we have Yoga's, meditations, "just being"?


I don't understand this.

To me meditation is concentrated thought on a selected subject.
Nothing else.

What does it mean to you?



For this purpose I draw together all that I can find relating to
that subject and then sort it out and try to find any pattern in
the reports.

How else to proceed.


Yes we have our day to day wakening thoughts and ideas. But note
the WE select that level t consider.

What we know about dreams and the dream state is rather scanty
and indefinite. Why ?

What are the things we are sure of?

You can't build an "EMPIRE STATE BUILDING" on the sands of the
shore, you have to have solid rock. To speculate is fine. But
your rock in that case is yourself -- the "I" inside which you
assume to be consistent and permanent regardless of the states it
is in, or observes, or passes through. Am I right ?

If everything is cloudy, and insecure, variable and in constant
flux, then how can ideas or words (used to define experiences)
be ever useful -- they would change in meaning and value every
moment as the mind passes from subject to subject, object, or
from question, to speculation as to event or its values.

Are you content with bouncing with the fleecy clouds of
imagination or are you seeking some base that an be defined?
Some "starting point," or, a "point of ultimate resolution -- or
an arrival ?"

Personally floating around is unhelpful, it costs time and energy
but seems to have little or no goal.

How does it help you, me or any one, with living -- at least in
this world of three dimensions (4 if you include "time") that
appears common in general experience and in logic that unites
us.?

So I am truly puzzled.

Dallas

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-----Original Message-----
From: Mauri
Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2003 5:43 AM
To:
Subject: re esoteric/exoteric, Dallas...


Hi Dallas, nice to hear from you again. You wrote:

<<May I butt in?>>

Participate? Why not? Why ask?

Sorry about all my qualifiers, in general, Dallas. It's
just that, this being a Theosophical kind of list, I seem
to have it in my head that that's a good enough excuse
for me to try to be "more specific"--- as I see it, at any
rate, apparently ... You probably knew about that,
already, eh? That is, I seem to think (and speculate)
that "being more specific" has something specifically
to do with Theosophy, in a way ... Not that ... (seems
there's too many "not that's" to get into, for now, so ... )
...

<<Lets say you and I can read the time from the face
of a clock. But the watchmaker can repair a faulty
mechanism behind the face because he knows what is
needed there to make the clock mark time accurately.
We don't. His knowledge is esoteric to us. But we can
acquire it when we learn his skills and arts.>>

The reason I use the expression "esoteric/experiential"
is that, in my humble speculative opinion, that kind of
esoteric (if it can only be experienced, and isn't
describable on this plane) doesn't seem to have a
particularly direct, logical/exoteric, basically
conventional relationship with the kind of basically
dualistic logic that's generally expressed on this plane,
or in that paragraph (apparently?), so ... Not that ...
So if we assume that esoteric/experiential is something
we can acquire by some kind of more or less "basically
usual" channels ... Well, such channels, as I see it,
might offer some clues (as per Theosophy), but/"but,
as I tend to see it, the actuality of a certain kind of
"esoteric" seems to be beyond the logic/laws of this
plane. Why do we have Yoga's, meditations, "just
being"?

Speculatively,
Mauri