Theos-Talk Archives (April 2003 Message tt00177)

April 30 2003

Dreams and Esotericism / Exotericism

Dear Mauri:

May I butt in?

Lets say you and I can read the time from the face of a clock.
But the watchmaker can repair a faulty mechanism behind the face
because he knows what is needed there to make the clock mark time
accurately. We don't. His knowledge is esoteric to us. But we
can acquire it when we learn his skills and arts.

In Nature it is evident there are laws operating or we would not
be "alive." Some specialists like medical doctors know what the
support system for the body is in health and illness, a car
mechanic knows how the combination of air, gas, water, machine
lubrication, part tolerances, etc.. serve the single function of
allowing the car to move when directed by a human. We may not
know all the details. His knowledge is esoteric to us. But we
can acquire it when we learn his skills and arts.

Enter the realm of Universal LAW, and the applications thereof we
call "morality," and "ethics." Most of us sense this in a vague
way. So it is something that can be learned. We can change the
"esoteric" to us, into the exoteric. No great mystery.

Enter the field of the invisible side of nature: feelings and
thoughts, and the power of the WILL (which is directed thought).
There are many indications on this subject. Theosophy has
gathered them into a pattern and makes their purview accessible
and reasonable.

>From isolated events this pattern show how they inter-relate and
what may be some of the forms and forces on the side of invisible
nature which are part of the "causative" side of things and
events.

You have read the KEY TO THEOSOPHY (HPB) and therefore have some
idea of those patterns and subjects. I say it is an opportunity
of testing their reasonableness. What are you really after? What
do you search for?

How do you apply the theoretical knowledge given there of the 7
Principles of Man and Nature to this problem, in a systematic
way? Is such a knowledge applicable?

Are not our memories of dreams a search for the imprint of events
our ONE CONSCIOUSNESS witnesses during the sleep of the brain.
Now we are "awake." The same ONE CONSCIOUSNESS in the "here and
now" may want to review those events and understand them. How
does it transit the gap ?

Our memory may not always give a true picture of the past
experience. 'Why?

How is it possible that our memories do not give us an always
accurate picture of past events?

How is it that memories fade?

What do we need to know in that area?

If they are vague and allegorical, then why do we need to
"interpret" them?

Best wishes,

Dallas

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-----Original Message-----
From: Mauri [
Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2003 7:41 PM
To:
Subject: Hey,


So, in other words, our various responses (as on these
lists) might be, or could be regarded, (alternatively?),
not so much as, or necessarily as "correct or erroneous"
in whatever "more-specific" or "highly-modelistic
terms" (not that ... !), but as the karmic realities of the
moment that we have "established" as our reality; and
so, (obviously enough?), if we hold on to such a sense
of reality, and if we're on Main Street, we can't be on
some other street, as well, in "realistic enough" terms,
meaning that whatever we do/think on our current
street (or karmic trend) would tend to make for, or
detract from, our objectives, and so, in that sense,
"good karma," for example (however one might
interpret it), would seem relevant enough even when
one might wish to transcend karma (both "good" and
"bad"), as long as that "good karma" is perceived as
being on one's "current street" (unless one has an
esoteric/experiential alternative way of defining
"current street"?) ... Not that ... !

Gerald wrote: <<The astral and mental planes, on
which we dream, are closer to spirituality than the
material plane of our waking state, and so our dreams
tend to be "more real" than our waking experiences.
They lack the "moral" filter of our waking mind, and
so in dreams we act as we "really" are, without
inhibitions or social restraints and thus tend to be
"more true" to ourselves. Dreams can be used as a
spiritual barometer to see just where you really are in
terms of morality and compassion.>>

How we interpret our dreams might complicate things,
for some of us?

<<One must find a meta-story that incorporates the
others and helps put them in some kind of
perspective. Is Theosophy a meta-story? Well, it
should be. I like to think that this was Blavatsky's
intent. However, we can find stories within stories in
Theosophy too, so maybe "meta" lies in our own
interpretations?>>

And if "our own interpretations" are seen as "our
current-street" fare within "ordinary reality," in
whatever sense (ie, if we lack in whatever "effective-
enough"/"alternative-enough" esoteric/experiential
"definition/s" for "our current street" and its seemingly
attendant fare?) then, apparently, even our various
"meta" stories would tend to be basically confined, in
general, in principle, to our more established realities
or karmic trends ... In other words, if one can
transcend, say, "Blavatsky's Theosophy" ("in a
sense"!?) ... then that might be a form of
"magical"/experiential "defining," "in a sense," of a
street other than the one that one's physical
body/mind, or "current karmic trend," appears to be
currently on ... All else would appear to be "exoteric,"
(in a sense?), not that ...

Speculatively,
Mauri