Theos-Talk Archives (April 2003 Message tt00078)

Hi. I would like to comment on this message, but first, make a correction to
my own message, posted today. I have said, "I am going to only answer
questions selectively, as suits the quality and meaning I intend to convey."
What I meant to say was "the quality OF meaning," as my own learning and
understanding, in relationship to the question, will be open to change, and
therefore the meaning cannot be predetermined forehand.

Re the message below, I realize these questions weren't directed to me, but
this message has come to my attention as it is unusually well thought out,
and in this sense, by its design alone, which seems to have a great
intelligent intent behind it, seems to carry a certain quality and force
This is no attempt to answer the questions in this message, but rather to
comment how language can cup perception in such a way that the perception
cannot be perceived except by the vehicle of the language, which at the same
time is SHAPING it. I have long been interested in this phenomena and how it
operates in human spirituality, mainly by observing how a teacher (such as
Krishnamurti was) who is constantly in spiritual dialogue with others, is
perhaps able to maintain a certain quality of alive attentiveness by the
very ACT of communicating about these concepts with others. In contrast I
have observed myself (and others) in the marketplace, involved in daily
deeds of business, and seen how my attention becomes more fragmented and is
less whole than when I am writing a message for a list such as this, reading
a spiritual book, taking a quiet walk in the park, or engaging with others
in dialogue (enquiry).

It is obvious to me that the activities of daily life tend to break-up and
fragment attention, and yet I cannot change many aspects of my life, as they
are all intertwined with each other, and I do not choose to go to a
monastery where, though artificial conditions would help me to focus more
deeply, I would no longer be participating in the world in such a way that
out of a complete attentiveness to the suffering of myself and others, a
great compassion can be potentially generated by reconciling, in one moment,
elements that seemingly cannot be reconciled.

I believe that the ultimate solution to this conundrum is to begin to relate
to the perceptual field in such a way that everything the brain understands,
by breaking apart the perception of the entire field as a whole through the
act of mentally interpreting (focusing on certain details in comparison
((co-relationship)) to other details) in order to respond and survive, is
ultimately sowed back into that field in such a way that something can be
reaped from it which represent a synthesis of the "absolute. The problem is
that this process needs to be ongoing, or one will take the momentary coin,
which functions in the next moment, as the light-bearer, for the light,
itself, which can never be codified.

This is why it is essential to never start from a reference point. When I
use language in a certain way, so as try to coin meaning and then relate to
everything from that meaning, as a reference point, I am effectively keeping
myself from being absorbed into "God" as a final act of purification by
complete and total supplication, but try to absorb "God," which, though it
is natural and understandable that "I" would want to do, is ultimately an
act of defilement, as it creates, by rubbing one thing against another, a
certain residue.

This is why it is important to examine language and how it FUNCTIONS to
achieve certain law-conformable results, as the function of anything I do,
even the way I use language, cups, in a certain way, what flowers or is
spewed out of it. When I make a rose garden, it is not the same as throwing
a handful of seeds into a bed of weeds. This is why I have so appreciated
the message and the way it is phrased, as this opens a possibility for me to
respond with this message, and by doing so, shape my day by the aspiration
of this act. Sincerely, Wry

----- Original Message -----
From: "Andra Baylus" <andra.ara@juno.com>
To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2003 11:29 AM
Subject: Re: Theos-World : Stilling the Mind and Concentration


> Dear Dallas,
> Your explanation and guidance were very helpful. To apply this concept
> of restitution will be life changing for souls that see its wisdom.
> I will try to find the book on The Light of Asia. I am a little
familiar
> with the concept of Buddhism. It is the desire to have and the desire to
be
> that is responsible for Karma. One must be desireless. Meher Baba has also
> awakened his lovers to this concept. Whatever you can find that can bring
> light that transforms unconsciousness into the light of consciousness, I
> will be grateful for.
> In a sense, living a more conscious life allows one to move through the
> soul's experience in a way that can benefit other souls, if one can listen
> to the guidance within. At the same time, it also allows the soul to see
the
> wounds that the current personality has caused. It becomes a bittersweet
> experience with the ebb and flow of enlightenment working to allow the
soul
> to grow.
> Often, you have spoken of the soul being eternal and the personality
> temporal. How is it then that the soul of the One, being," the perfection
of
> love, harmony and beauty, that One united with all the illuminated souls,
> the embodiment of the Master, the spirit of guidance" allows the
personality
> to err? Yes, I understand that there is evolvement that is taking place;
but
> I guess that I don't understand why that Perfection of the God force is
not
> continually being manifested if its origin is so pure.
> The magnificence of such a spiritual force in this plane of existence
> must be very great indeed to allow souls the freedom to grow according to
> their readiness.
>
> Regarding the stillness of the mind, I understand that if one can
still
> the mind that one can raise the consciousness of others just by being in
> their very presence. One also is more available to the guidance within, if
> the mind is stilled. Does this then mean that the love, harmony and beauty
> within the soul will then have an avenue to blossom and come forth through
> the personality? How does concentration play a part in controlling the
mind
> to be a proper vehicle for love and light to be manifested?
> If there is so much goodness within, surely there must be a way of
> manifesting it continually using the current personality as a vehicle of
> blessing. How can concentration bring this about?
> Dear Dallas, I appreciate your guidance and the time you take to
> research your answers. You have access to such a wealth of materials. I am
> so grateful to you.
> Most gratefully,
>
> Namaste,
>
> A
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dallas TenBroeck" <dalval14@earthlink.net>
> To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2003 5:39 PM
> Subject: RE: Theos-World :Guidance and Discernment
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> > Tuesday, April 15, 2003
> >
> > Dear Friend A:
> >
> > Re: Karma and mitigation thereof
> >
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> > Karma operates in the whole Universe impartially. Each receives a
> > result or participates in some event which has for cause an action or
> > a choice that they made earlier.
> >
> > What we may call accidents, or undeserved fortune or hardships are the
> > result of our own actions. The Karma is not always "punitive" it is
> > also sometimes a sudden gush of good fortune. We disown usually the
> > sorrows and pains but welcome without examination any "good fortune"
> > that comes unbidden to us.
> >
> > The question of establishing and understanding through our equipoise
> > and balance, is all ours in the present and the various presents to
> > come as time passes.
> >
> > We are the Eternal Pilgrims , and as such we have to look on the
> > physical situations (and resulting feelings -- pleasure and pain --
> > as relating not to the SPIRIT/SOUL but to the errors that our embodied
> > Mind linked with passionate and selfish DESIRE ( Kama) has created.
> >
> > The act of restitution demands first that we make the victim aware of
> > our responsibility, offer such compensation and restitution as may
> > meet with their acceptance, and then provide it as a duty. We fear
> > exposing our vulnerability and the loss of reputation we will suffer.
> > But if we were so injudicious as to take advantage of another's
> > ignorance, it is due to them that we make full disclosure -- as we
> > would to a member of our most intimate family.
> >
> > The how and the why of balancing has to be worked out by conference
> > with those involved. We are the perpetrators. They are the victims.
> > They are now placed in such a case on the same griddle we all are.
> > They have also to be fair to us. But we having been aggressors have
> > no place to demand terms. The discrimination and the discernment
> > ideally, ought to be in terms of fairness to all. But if we know we
> > were unfair, the opportunity for them to now be fair to us arises --
> > and we have no say about that, except to protest it, (a decisions or a
> > penalty) if it appears unjust.
> >
> > In other words, we are all involved in adjusting under Karma.
> > Restraint and good will on both sides are demanded and if not
> > afforded, then the karma of unbalanced and ungenerous decisions will
> > follow those who make them.
> >
> > The most difficult thing for us to grasp, as transcient living beings,
> > is that our SPIRIT/SOUL is immortal. KARMA acts on the PERSONALITY,
> > (the mask we wear this incarnation) and the physical body is one
> > aspect of that, along with a second aspect: our feeling nature ( the
> > sensitive psyche -- a combination of mind and emotion).
> >
> > Do you have for reference a copy of THE .LIGHT OF Asia -- by Sir Edwin
> > Arnold on the life and teachings of the Buddha? In Book the 6th are
> > detailed the "vices" that afflict us all -- and the Buddha's response.
> > Book the 8th details the 4 Truths, and the virtues. It is a good book
> > to consider and familiarize ones' self with.
> >
> > Your questions will be found answered there.
> >
> > I will look to see if I can find anything more to help.
> >
> > best wishes,
> >
> > Dallas
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Andra
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2003 6:48 PM
> > To:
> > Subject: Re::Guidance and Discernment
> >
> > Dear Dallas,
> >
> > Thank you so much for your response. I understand the concept of
> > forgiveness and also the responsibility a soul has to give prompt
> > restitution.
> >
> > If a soul becomes conscious of an act that was very hurtful to
> > another
> > soul within the same lifetime and wishes to make restitution to
> > balance that
> > deep injury, how can the proper restitution be discerned? Is there
> > guidance
> > that can be given?
> >
> > Does the Universe include a means to be merciful to one who has
> > been
> > hurt so that a new and positive cause can be set into motion that will
> > ameliorate the negative effects of a preceding cause?
> >
> > Thank you for your guidance,
> > Namaste,
> > A
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