Theos-Talk Archives (March 2003 Message tt00099)

HI. see below for a few brief comments.

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From: <dalval14@earthlink.net>
To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 3:31 AM
Subject: Theos-World RE: figures in history compared


> Friday, March 07, 2003
>
> Dear Friends:
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> May I break in here? This is interesting. Made me review some of my
> early education and experiences, as I have lived in many parts of the
> world, I always found it most interesting t discover what other groups
> and peoples knew, believed in, or aimed for.
>
> I was pleased early on in life to discover that Theosophy had the
> virtue of doing away with "differences" and melding all of humanity
> together on good and sound principles:

WRY: Just like it is happening on this list, right? You folks really know
how to turn chaos into harmony (ha ha). Put your own objective salt on my
little joke, IF you have any.

>
> Karma -- responsibility.
> Reincarnation and immortality of the Ego -- the time needed to learn
> everything.
> Unity -- in all three essentials of being: Spirit, Mind and Matter.
> And, their cooperation.
> A Goal for existence -- becoming WISE.
> Immortality -- for the thinking, living, inquiring SELF.
> Space -- infinity in which we all have a place and a purpose of being
> Brotherhood and tolerance, cooperation and generosity -- virtues as
> opposed to the selfishness and horror of vice and isolation.


WRY: In one ear and out the other, as you do not know how to construct with
material.

>
> If the actuality of Reincarnation and Karma are true and operative.
> Of what value is it today to discuss races and religions as indexes to
> individuals and their personal views?

WRY: This is your BIG error and it is sort of amazing that you keep making
it. A THOUGHT about ANYTHING cannot adjust the functioning of a human
being, only an adjustment of tension via a release of material. You reason
like a five year old. The fantasy is that something pure, which exists on
its own side as an independent entity, by thinking (radiating) a certain
thought, can create. #1. There is not something that is pure, as this is all
based on personality and the subjective I which is a result of causes and
conditions. #2. This cannot exist on its own side. #3. This thought is an
image which is a mechanical result of causes and conditions and in holding
to it, THERE IS A LOOPING BACK. "God" help us all. You are worshipping an
image of yourself. This is Lucifer, but he is not harnessed. At times there
is an angel or a devil, but they do not balance each other because there is
no real OBJECTIVE man and therefore no force. I do not believe this is what
Madame Blavatsky intended to happen to you. She had some kind of salt (I can
feel the earth of her, even from the writings, though sometimes they are so
mesmerizing it is hard to discern), but where is yours? Again, in my
opinion, she was trying to bring certain eastern concepts to the west, and
in doing so it was necessary to cut a few corners.


>No one need feel derogated by
> their birth or race.
>
> Regardless of the labeling, which is arbitrary, and may be used to
> mentally degrade people without good cause, the individual is, and
> always will be, independent of any grouping. We are all, essentially,
> ourselves.

WRY: This is RIDICULOUS. Personality takes over in a series of mechanical
reactive processes in such a way that the precious birthright of
self-consciousness, which is what connects awareness to essence, begins to
happen only in flickers, and the appropriate connection cannot be made.

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> Hence the immortal Monad at the core of a person today, I mean the
> REAL MAN and the HIGHER SELF, may in a previous incarnation have
> belonged to some human form of a different sex, race, tribe, religion,
> sect, etc... Those are regulated by personal Karma -- and each one
> makes his or her own all the time.


WRY: More mechanical thinking and parroting of other people's words and
ideas. When a person is fully aware, he will SEE that his brother is his
brother in real time with his PHYSICAL EYES and feel an empathy which will
resonate as a certain vibrational quality as his CONSCIENCE. This is the
Work and the appropriate line of direction we should all be headed in. This
IS the teaching of MADAME BLAVATSKY. I am simply helping to clarify it. It
is VERY obvious that it needs clarification. Either she did not present it
clearly enough for you, or you are unable to sort it all out in such a way
that you can be active. I believe this may be because this material was
intended at a particular time in history to serve a particular function. As
the time frame has expired, you are lost.

Re the rest of your message, do you really believe this will affect anyone?
It will all go in one ear and out the other, plus there is no clarity. You
are in error not only on certain points, but do not have even an inking of
how to present material. You speak of certain ideas and say you are "now
checking them out and verifying them. I do not believe you are doing this.
It is an idealistic pipedream which you are using to support a belief
system. Also, you do not appear to have an understanding o how reincarnation
and the development of the human spirit bodies are formed in relationship to
both light AND gross material, but conditions are too confused on this list
to get into a discussion of this subject. Sincerely, Wry

>
> When we look back into the past we are looking at the past we lived in
> and created. Today we are creating the causes for our futures
> individually and together.I
>
> So too for the future, when we reincarnate, say, in 1,000, 1,500,
> 3,000, 5,000 or 15,000 years, the various divisions, political and
> religious of today on our Earth may have passed away. Several
> civilizations may have passed by.
>
> That which remains are the qualities of human character in particular
> and in general. Why? Is it so? -- because Karma operates
> incessantly now, then and hereafter?
>
> So, should we not learn something that will help us today? We can
> learn through Theosophy something definite about the rules and laws of
> Karma and Reincarnation and thus better regulate our own motives and
> our own choosing from here on? This is what I find Theosophy
> advocates. And I am glad that there have been students ahead of me
> who point to these ideas. I am now checking them out and verifying
> them.
>
> So who is pleased by labeling? Only those who do not think through
> the implications and the responsibilities of being human and making
> reasonable and friendly choices, usually. They also do not consider
> their own immortality, and the fact that their decisions return always
> to them as doves return to a roost.
>
> Theosophy starts with the proposition that the UNIVERSE is ONE -- as a
> SPIRITUAL ENTITY. Then it observes that the realm of "matter" is also
> immortal in its many molecular, atomic and sub-atomic "units." Every
> being from the "life atom" up to the highest planetary Spirit -- the
> Cosmocratores or the Dhyan Chohans, have been Men such as we now are,
> or will become men in the aeons that will follow the present. The
> faculty of thinking or the mind is a common one in the whole of
> humanity, though of course of several different degrees and
> compositions. These three sets of immortals twist and twine about each
> other and are inseparable.
>
> The Spiritual SELF (in each of us) never dies; but as it wends its
> pilgrimage through many lives, each is found to be one that gives it
> fresh experience and all the memories associated with those. A few
> moment reflection on our own character and capacities will ensure us
> that we labored for millions of years in making ourselves what we now
> are. No one life, nor descent of physical or parental heredity alone
> has endowed us with the capacities we have. We need only review about
> 33 generations [2 RAISED TO THE POWER OF 33] leading up to our
> present existence, and find that the whole of humanity has had a
> chance to become our physical "ancestors" at some point of time. So
> who is superior to who by virtue of descent alone ?
>
> Did we build our present bodies? Yes. We did, but in this life we
> have forgotten how. Why not look at them as a "God" might -- we feed
> them, house and clothe them, medicate them, build them and discipline
> them or allow them to become lazy and careless --- The responsibility
> is not our parents, nor our community. Our parents gifted us with
> life and maintenance over the tender years of infancy and during the
> early maturing process, then we took charge. Our community shelters
> us, but is not invariably right in its group thinking or observances.
>
> The process of evolution makes it possible for all degrees and kinds
> of differences in character and motivation to live together, to
> tolerate each other, and to practice the kind of brotherhood which
> spiritual brothers can do. Why should we adopt others' feuds? Most of
> those are senselessly destructive. And we boast of our independence
> and capacity ton think independently? What bases do we adopt?
>
> So I would say: Lets avoid characterizing any one. Lets attend to our
> own faults and foibles.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Dallas
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: netemara
> Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 7:30 PM
> To:
> Subject: Re: figures in history compared
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> > >>>The Zodiac killer was a Jew, or did you not know that? ...
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> > > It must have been a solved case then Son of Sam? All I know is
> that
> > > the person identified was Jewish and a male person.
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> > David Berkowitz, although raised as a Jew, was a member of
> the Process
> > Church of Final Judgment (at least according to his own testimony)
> at
> > the time of his slayings. He is now a Born Again Christian.
> >
> > Bart Lidofsky
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> Thanks for the info. But he is still Jewish.
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