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----- Original Message -----
From: <dalval14@earthlink.net>
To: AA-BN--Study <study@blavatsky.net>
Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 7:08 PM
Subject: Theos-World RE: Re: conflicting moral imperatives


> Wednesday, March 05, 2003
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> Dear Friend:
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> Exactly what I meant to draws attention to: But, I think, the
> analogy is not perfect. People save those things which to them are
> important. They also assist others when a necessity demands it --
> even in some cases to sacrificing their own lives and health. Those
> we respect.
>
> Wisdom is not in books, although portions of that is to be found
> there. Wisdom is a continuous living ideal put into practice.
> Brotherhood best expresses that. It is something we practice (if we
> can) without expecting any return from our efforts. Ideals come from
> universal and impersonal laws that bind all things together into
> LIFE..
>
> Wisdom is interior to us all -- if we could only realize that the
> IMMORTAL PILGRIM -- we as the HIGHER SELF and the eternal STUDENT of
> Nature survive all catastrophes.
>
> No particular religion of political philosophy or self-serving
> economic view survives the passage of time. Why? Because it is too
> limited and does not entirely fit the actual existing LAWS of nature
> which are only understood as cooperation, and harmony.
>
> 10,000 years from now and any surviving memory of Christianity or
> Islam will have vanished. That which is indestructible is precisely
> that MORALITY based on UNIVERSAL LAWS. Those are the real objects of
> Theosophical study and verification and when discovered they can be
> lived.
>
> It is futile to place much effort in any religion as the way they are
> practised is generally in opposition to the way in which they were
> preached by Prophets and reformers of yore. One needs only to
> carefully study religions -- not one, but as many as possible -- to
> detect the basis on which they are built. There is a COMMON MORALITY
> there, (built on universal and impersonal Law) but gradually, as time
> past it split and developed a little orthodoxy here,. and a little
> orthodoxy there, until real opposition resulted in violence.
>
> All deviations, and sects that arose, can be traced to individuals
> who seized the direction of a portion of a religion and decided that
> visible orthodoxy was superior to philosophical and tolerant
> brotherhood. The final effect of this is to "believe" on "faith"
> without any investigation. The priests say they will take care of
> that. And how !!!! Example: Try running our world for a week,
> purely on the principles of the SERMON ON THE MOUNT . What's wrong
> with that ? Why is freedom to do wrong in the shadows so enticing?
> Why do people (those that do) seek some hidden and/or powerful
> advantages over others ?
>
> ISLAM and its proliferation today is only a continuation of its
> efforts ever since Muhammad revealed it. Trace its efforts in
> history. Having been banished from Mecca he later returned to conquer
> it. Thus the "sword" was made an unfortunate part of that religious
> tradition.
>
> No man's say-so establishes as an unalterable fact any view of Nature,
> or of our existence. Yet those stand - as visible proof -- here and
> now, as proof of some purpose and regulations in the world and
> universe. This is what Theosophy discusses, and why it pays so little
> attention to the orthodox presentation and enforcement of any
> religion.
>
> To quote a universal idea, found in all religions. Remove the "post"
> from your own eye before you concern yourself with the "mote" in
> another's. Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.
>
> No religion has the right to enforce its views or to proseletyze,
> using the sword, threats or other forms of attack on one's fellow men
> and women. In other words order your own affairs and don't meddle
> with others'.
>
> Question:
>
> Why do they attract such attention?
>
> Unfortunately as in the case of Christianity both religions were
> promoted by fanatics (and still are) who thought nothing of the
> IMMORTAL SOUL and its persistence, but only of making lip adherents
> through threats to life or one's beloved.
>
> In other words they wanted numbers right now. They can only see the
> present life.
>
> Consequently the philosophy of theosophy is not considered except by
> the SUFIS who promote the ancient philosophical teachings.
>
> In closing .let me apologise to all those of any religion (including
> those I use as broad examples) that are sincere and benevolent and
> live in altruism and idealism. This is not addressed to them.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Dallas
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bart
> Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 10:44 AM
> To:
> Subject: Reconflicting moral imperatives
>
> dalval14@earthlink.net wrote:
> > If everyone of us are immortal spiritual souls, the killing of the
> body
> > delays but does not obliterate its continued existence.
> Reincarnation
> > takes care of that.
>
> In case you haven't noticed, there is a movement among the Islamic
> people to spread, multiply, and take over. It is not even a secret;
> many
> Islamic leaders have publicly stated that this is their goal,
> especially
> in places where they can do so under the protection of "religious
> freedom."
>
> In terms of the Universe, probably not so terrible. It will only set
> back the evolution of humanity a thousand years or so. But, if it is
> preventable, why accept such a turnback? What will set back the
> evolution of humanity more, having a small war now, or having a world
> war in a decade or so? We must look further than the immediate
> consequences of our actions; we need to look at the long-term
> consequences too.
>
> There is a story of a man who worked at a library. A fire started
> near
> the rare books collection, and the librarians frantically started
> trying
> to save the rare books. But the man remained calm.
>
> "Don't worry.", he said. "It will be taken care of."
>
> The fire kept burning, but through major efforts, the other
> librarians
> managed to save all the rare and irreplaceable books. Exhausted,
> burned,
> and bruised, they all collapsed on the street while the firefighters
> worked to put out the blaze.
>
> The man looked at the piles of rare books that had been saved, and
> said, "You see? I told you it would be taken care of!"
>
> Bart Lidofsky
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