Theos-Talk Archives (December 2002 Message tt00740)

FOR SOME REASON MY PREVIOUS POST DID NOT REGISTER PROPERLY


Dear Etzion,

The purpose in my report was not to write an esoteric paper on 
any 'spiritual ' or occult concept of sex or gender. It was to 
illuminate the physical science of the common mechanisms of sex 
differentiation and sex dimorphic behavior IN ALL VERTEBRATES. 

It was written for medical ethics, pastoral and legal reasons 
regarding the basic human rights of intersexed persons and their 
families. 

When the immediate life-and-death needs of precious humans are 
involved, speculation about the 'karmic' origins of their 
genderedness is not helpful. Thus I do not bother myself to 
publically write on such subjects, as it is of no practical help to 
anyone facing life with such a huge problem. I teach that we are not 
our bodies, but we live in them and need to understand them and take 
proper care of them. For the normal bodied and gender-identified 
person, questions of correct birth sex assignment, hormomal therapy, 
legal, social, religious issues or sex 'normalizing' or sex change 
surgery never arise. For the intersexed, these kind of problems may 
be inescapable. 

It is to assist such people, and their loved ones, with such 
devastating problems that I write on the science and medicine of sex 
differentiation. 

In my personal counseling of such people (and normal people), I 
discuss with them the subtler issues of sexual incarnation, gender 
identity and spiritual (BRIDAL MYSTICISM) genderedness. You are 
correct that we must all take responsibility for living our present 
lives with integrity, and determining where we are going to next. 

- BA G

--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Etzion Becker <etvionbb@n...> 
wrote:
> The sex of the body is no more but a reflection of the solidified
> impressions that a person have been accumulating and store in the
> subconscious realm a life span. Usually a male person in one life 
span,
> takes the form of a female in the next life span. Sometimes, a 
person takes
> feminine forms throughout a longer duration of incarnations, let 
say, six in
> a row. Then he takes a male form, hence the Law of duality comples 
the drop
> soul - atma, to undergo all dual experiences while in Illusion. So, 
such a
> person in a male form will feel as a female. So he might act as 
what being
> called *homosexual*. And vise versa if a person took a long series 
of male
> form. All this has nothing to do with spirituality, since the 
person must
> take spiritual responsibility no matter what, and the limitations 
of shapes
> and forms don't matter. They can form only challenges. I reallized, 
quite
> clearly, that Madame Blavatsky accepted spiritual responsibility, 
and tried
> to do her best, inspite of her many limitations. Her bodily sex had 
nothing
> to do with this. Best wishes, Etzion
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <bhakti.eohn@v...>
> To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, December 27, 2002 10:10 PM
> Subject: Theos-World Re: Alleged certificate re hermaphroditism TYPO
> CORRECTED AND CLARIFICATION
> 
> 
> > TYPO CORRECTED AT >> <<
> >
> > Now it is clear from photos of HPB that she did not experiance the
> > kind of phyical masculinization that I did. Late virilizing forms 
of
> > either XX or XY intersex are extremely rare. In these conditions, 
the
> > child and adolesent may appear as a normal female. After a rather
> > extreme >>(and possibly very late...in their 20s) 'puberty'<<, in
> > which a
> > phallus grows and secondary male sex characteristics develope, the
> > person can no longer hide their transformation...or 'sex reversal'
> > without great difficulty. This is obviously NOT what happened to
> > HPB, but being feminine in her youth does not mean anything, as 
the
> > late virilizing forms of intersex HOWEVER MILD OR EXTREME, do not
> > NECESSARILY effect the person's pre- 'puberty' (pre-masculinizing)
> > femininity.
> >
> > GENDER IDENTITY IS DIFFERENT FROM THE ROLES THAT PEOPLE LEARN TO 
PLAY
> > FOR FAMILY AND SOCIAL APPROVAL. Even as a small child, I always 
knew
> > I was a boy, and had started secretly calling myself David by the 
age
> > of 9. At the age of 11 I introduced myself to my closest friend as
> > David. At that time (and for years to come) I still showed no
> > obvious external signs of being intersexed, that my family or 
others
> > could detect. Still I was extremely neurologically fetally
> > androgenized, even to the extent of 'knowing' I was 'really a 
boy'.
> > So it is entirely possible that HPB had some late-virilizing form 
of
> > intersex and a persistent sense of a masculine self, but 
developed a
> > feminine familial and public persona for survival reasons.
> >
> > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Bhakti Ananda Goswami
> > <bhakti.eohn@v...>" <bhakti.eohn@v...> wrote:
> > > Dear Paul,
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> >