Theos-Talk Archives (December 2002 Message tt00442)

Hi Terrie and everyone, this is in response to your message. You are thinking about me too much. It is best to stick to ideas. Everyone wants to learn (even me) and if we can find topics to discuss that are interesting and take us into the realm of discovery, everything will order itself naturally. I am not trying to dominate this list, but only to do my share to make it better. I am not making a lot of messages on here, though in the last few days I have made more than usual, but they are loaded, as always, with a quality of material that can be used for food. I will not put irrelevant words on this board, as there is no time for that.

Everyone tries to assert himself and be an active force in this life. It is natural. Sometimes when an immature person is thwarted, he become frustrated and lashes out. You believe this to be the case with me. In all truth and sincerity, I believe this to be the case with you. You have used the image of an alpha male"urinating" on here to mark territory. I believe that by talking in this way, you are actually attempting to mark territory, yourself. Maybe you perceive yourself to be holding up a mirror up to me. As I have previously stated, this is not how people learn. I am not saying this in defense. It is the truth. Has it occurred to that you, yourself, are behaving as this alpha male you are accusing me of being? I am guessing, it has not. 

This is the problem with a therapy model of understanding human behavior, as it involves subjective analysis. Let's say that I am a confused and suffering person and I found the phone number of a therapist, let's say, Terrie, in the yellow pages and I went to you to help sort things out. Would you be able to? To begin with, if I said something that hurt your feelings, even if it were true (and it would probably be much more likely to hurt if it were true), you would kick me out of your office. Of course, since I would be paying you one hundred dollars an hour, you would be much less likely to do so than you would be to try and get me kicked off this list, as, in the instance of therapy, you would be getting paid cold cash to tolerate me. Case in point.

I do not believe in the censorship of ideas. (even if someone's feelings are hurt), as, in my opinion, this creates a ground where learning cannot flourish. I do believe that political commentary, and lots of short, cutesy messages with no real ideas (such as just saying you agree with someone but not adding anything new), and messages with long quotes of words by other people ( no matter who they are, even Madame Blavatsky) are not appropriate for this particular list. Also, your behavior is hypocritical. If you think I was mean and if you disapprove of this kind of behavior, than you should not behave in this way to me, as there is no rationale. To me this does not apply, as I am not on here telling people they are mean, as if people even are mean, such as you, it does not hurt my feelings, as I do not have an image about myself, and have compassion for them in their suffering and view it as a learning opportunity. 

To continue, I am not a male, but a feminine, slim and pretty heterosexual grandmother. People on here assumed I was male and began calling me "he." I didn't bother correcting it, because I don't like giving personal details about myself, as it is irrelevant, and also, what kind of man would choose the email name, "Wry?" Give me a break. I did recently try to give a hint about my gender in a message to Daniel, which I thought people would pick up on.

Later, I will respond to your message more specifically, but for now, a few points. You do not understand about morality. In my opinion, your morality is subjective and based on your conditioning, not human conscience. To me, in all truth, you are like a little child, as your reason is not developed, but I do not dislike you for this. You are precious as a human being, but as a person who does not know himself, you are difficult and problematic, and this is at the root of what you have called "evil." 

Darkness and light are two sides of the same coin. This is why in Tibetan Buddhism there is referral to two different kinds of light, the"soft white light" and the "clear light." It is very important to understand the difference between these two. By the way, it is not against the teaching of Mahayana Buddhism to be harsh, in the way I have been. It is ultimately always left up to the individuals discrimination to determine if what they are doing is right action. Why is this? Because it always comes down to someone subjective opinion, until there is genuine objectivity. Moreover, it is considered what is called a "downfall," to not have the stomach or the guts to be harsh when a certain kind of situation determines it. This is written into classical Mahayana Buddhist teaching and is not something I have made up. But who even cares, as each person should do what makes sense to himself, from his conscience, not his emotions.

I have decided NOT to temper my affect (it is already much more tempered than people realize) to suit others on here, as I am speaking the truth as I see it, and in the spirit of enquiry, and with much love, whether you think so or not. If I am removed from this list for being too harsh, so "bee" it. I am a bee and this is how we make honey, which it is my aim to make, perhaps the very best honey any of us have ever tasted..Any negative emotions you are feeling are your own, and if something someone says triggers you into feeling negative emotions, this is a good opportunity to have something that is outside of this reaction ,and therefore uncontaminated, record yourself as you are, and maybe, if the seeing is complete, compassion will be generated. And in truth, without human suffering, there can be no honey and no makers of honey. If I am ever removed from this list, people can find me at the theosophy study list at lyris, though I prefer this list, as there is pontification over there, or you can email me to find out about some of my activities on other lists or about my own lists. Sincerely, Wry





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