Theos-Talk Archives (December 2002 Message tt00359)

Hi.
----- Original Message -----
From: <leonmaurer@aol.com>
To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 1:23 AM
Subject: Re: Theos-World Salting Gurdjieff


"> Huh? You talk to much."


Wry: I have been leaving a lot of messages recently, but usually I do not.

"Attack is always a good defense."

Wry: Defense for what? Anyway, I like Terrie. She is precious and knowing
her is a precious opportunity.

" Why don't you
> practice what you preach?"

Wry: What do I preach? .Not to waste precious time and a precious
opportunity?

"I heard you say you were "not a theosophist."

Wry: Maybe I am starting to be one.

"So,
> why are you here?"

Many reasons, most of which are between me and my "God."

" Is it just to tell us how wise you are?"

Wry: What do you think?

"I can't wait to
> hear. :-)"

Wry: When I am having a reaction, time seems different, and everything gets
distorted. Maybe it is the same with you. My messages are not as prolific
and as lengthy as you may be perceiving, and maybe they are balancing some
of the trivial small talk on here.

I know my message to Terrie may have seemed a little harsh to you, but my
sense of Terri is that she is able to take care of herself, and if not, I
wish that for her. Behind every beautiful day that everyone is supposed to
be having are dynamics such as this. Look at the way it has gone on this
list ever since I have been here, but not, you must honestly acknowledge,
because I am on here, as this has been going on long before anyone ever
heard of me.

If you are a true theosophist, whatever that means, maybe you can tell me
more about this. You should," in my opinion" (Hi Bill), be thanking me for
the work I am doing on this list, not that I want or need to be thanked, but
this would be the appropriate behavior on your part. Different people have
different perceptions of physical reality. For instance, I believe that you
have left me this message because you want me to talk more out here rather
than less, and that you want to communicate with me. I have been meaning to
get back to you about "point zero," which I find very interesting and have
pondered about and am still pondering. I was going to leave Bill a message
about angels, but now this will have to be delayed.

If Terrie is reading this: Hi Terrie. If you did get anything out of my
message, please let me know. This is the single best message I have left the
whole time I have been on this list. You have helped me to verbalize
something very important about discrimination.

Some people on here already know this, but I am a list specialist (in my own
imagination, at least). My special subject of study is bulletin boards, of
which an email list such as this is a prime example. I am possibly the only
person on earth who has deliberately studied this medium of communication,
to the extent I have, and my guess is that no one have ever studied it at
all. This makes me a person of great power, whether anyone likes it or not.
(but fear not. I am a Buddhist aspiring to enter the mahayana path, and I
have taken vows.). I am not using this list for a study, as my studies have
gone on for many years and have been completed before I came here. The
reason I am saying this is to point out that very unusual, even incredible
opportunities can exist on a list like this, of which most people are
unaware, to do extraordinary good for multitudes of people, without really
hurting anyone, except possibly a few peoples' feelings. In this respect, it
is very important to receive the messages on this list by individual email
and not by digest or on the list page, as in this way, it is more of a true
bulletin board.

I may not be a theosophist, whatever that is to you, but I am here as a
representative of Madame Blavatsky, as she and I are from the honey-makers,
and this is a fact of physical reality, whether you like it or not. I am in
the process of choosing which lists to devote my time to, and I am not sure,
as you suggest, that this is the appropriate place for me. I will decide in
the weeks to come, and of course it is ultimately up to Eldon. What I will
be doing is leaving some more general messages that are less likely to get
people riled up, and maybe I will also share some of the extraordinary data
I have gathered about using bulletin boards as a learning tool, which some
of you may find most exciting and interesting. Thanks again to Terri.
Sincerely, Wry
>
> LHM
>
>
> In a message dated 12/10/02 4:07:33 PM, wry1111@earthlink.net writes:
>
> >Hi Terri. If you don't like my behavior, you need to give a few examples
> >from my emails. If you cannot do this, if you are too lazy or whatever,
> >then you are just pouring from the empty into the void. Maybe if you
stick
> >more to ideas and don't leave a lot of drivel, such as ten messages in
> >one day with basically no content (though I did like the pineapple
message),
> >these harsh responses from Wry will not be as forthcoming in the future.
> >You have little sense of proportion. It looks like you haven't been on
> >this list since last May, and only then for a few days, when you also
left
> >a spate of messages. If you just stick to ideas, everything will be o.k.
> >
> >Did you ever hear of enquiry? I will enquire with anyone. as that is a
> >cleansing and exciting experience. You are not responding to some of my
> >points. What do you think about what I responded to you about holding up
> >mirrors? This isn't a contest about who is right. Maybe I am wrong, and
> >I can learn something from you, which would be joyful. For example, do
> >you really think that you can hold up a mirror and someone will learn
> something
> >essential in such a way that it changes an inner dynamic that is
intricately
> >complex and based on a movement away from pain toward pleasure? Have you
> >been successful with this? Can you give some examples? As previously
stated,
> >I have tried this, as have most people, many times. (I am not always
harsh
> >and can be very gentle at holding up a mirror or anything else, though
> >I acknowledge I have been cutting grease on here.) And there is another
> >problem about holding up mirrors besides building up resistance: the
mirror
> >holder is subjective. It is a form of selection ( i.e.analysis), which
> >is based on the conditioned mind, and there is always a distortion, as,
> >at the very least, the mirror holder is selecting which details, or even
> >which mode, of the person to reflect, but usually it is much, much
murkier
> >than this.
> >
> >Your talk of sleeping and waking is silly. This is the problem with the
> >work of P.D. Ouspensky and the cheap, fourth-way groups that have sprung
> >up out of his over-intellectualization of Gurdjieff's ideas. When you
sign
> >your message "dream on," this implies that you yourself are not dreaming.
> >I deliberately chose to create a certain affect when I made my messages
> >of the last few days. It was intentional, and I continue to think it was
> >good. This does not mean I was "asleep" or "awake," which is vague, very
> >subjective terminology. Do you understand?
> >
> >It is hard to sort it all out, but if we stick to ideas, there is a
better
> >chance of doing so then if we mechanically small talk. Would you not
agree?
> >It is a matter of discrimination, telling the difference between one
thing
> >and another and then breaking these two things apart and combining them
> >with other sets and designing. To understand how to do this would be
wisdom.
> >When (if) you ever wake up, you will be breaking things apart, not
lumping
> >things together. Everything is already glued together. Do you understand
> >this, Terrie? And how do we know how and what to break apart? It is by
> >impartially studying the whole with a focus on oneself as an object. In
> >this way what is upside down can be turned right-side up. But if a part
> >of your "self", as you have called it, studies yourself, it is
subjective,
> >and the whole endeavor, no matter how well intended, is a waste, though
> >maybe someone who has the right kind of knowledge can grow a rose out of
> >this smelly medium .
> >
> >This is not the office or a cocktail party or a family gathering with
Aunt
> >Joan and Uncle Jeb and their various and sundry offspring. It is not a
> >stage on which to play cartoon characters and pretend it is a form of
> conscious
> >acting. It is an email group to discuss theosophy, and this is an
appropriate
> >venue to break things apart and try to create a certain atmosphere. I
believe
> >we all should be doing this. If you do not like my work, show me a better
> >way to do things in such a manner that I can understand. .At least you
> >have been helping me make some good messages out here, so, in the future,
> >I will consider you on my team. Wry
>
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